The MASSIVE Fizz nerfs on PBE @Riot

Riot, before I get into the actual meat and numbers of everything. I want to state that I am THOROUGHLY confused. Everything you said, even the comments you made a week before the update came out, about fizz, turned out to be ABSOLUTELY FALSE. note, i'm sorry if this post is a bit angrily written or negative but I just can't believe these changes weren't written by a monkey or are just an april fools joke until the real changes hit the pbe

What you said vs what you've done include:

• You (Riot) wanted to improve his laning phase by.... nerfing it??

• You (Riot) wanted to move damage from his E to elsewhere on the kit by... not moving it????

• You (Riot) wanted to showcase fizz's initiation power by.... nerfing his initiation and only making the shark slightly stronger if he hits the mythical max range shark on carry while nerfing the rest of the follow up damage????

• You (Riot) wanted to make Fizz the hardest to peel assassin above all other assassins by... doing absolutely nothing to his average in class mobility while nerfing the R slow unless max range???????

• You (Riot) wanted to make fizz play with his food by.... having him just stand in melee poking with base damage autos for 2 seconds until he can do the same damage with W he does on live in that same time period with the same ability?????????????????

• You (Riot) stating that if they were to rework fizz his current kill period of 1.5 seconds with shark, 1 second E, 3 second dot and autos was enough of a kill period (they wanted kill window .75 - 1 second) and would instead work on other issues and by other issues they mean........ increasing his kill window to 2 seconds on shark and 2 seconds for any W damage and 4 seconds on dot while an ADC late game kills you in .5 with 2 autos??????????????????????????????????

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LANE CHANGES

The only lane based change you've done was put W's active on 1 second cd and refund half the mana if it kills a target. However, W on live costs 40 mana and lasts for all the minions you need to get (such as casters) and it's a 1 time cast. ON PBE, the level 1 W (just to kill all 3 casters) is 45 mana. When you level up the ability, it is 105 mana at level 5 for 3 casters. This does not include if you need to use it on any other minions in the wave. This is a straight up nerf. There is no other change to "help" his laning phase.

You left his horrible passive in the game, which while the ghost mechanic is nice and should stay in his kit, the ad reduction does nothing in a lane whose opponents are spamming spells at you from range. The passive is meant' for top lane when you weave in through minions, poke with his extended AA range and take less damage back from autos in return against top melee AD. You stated you wanted to help his lane phase when he was behind. It was flat nerfed. His problems in lane are that he's a pure melee, with no sustain, no tankiness and his only way to deal with constant poke and zoning from opponents is dive all in or use his high mana/high cd escape ability to dodge lower cost, lower cd spells. His W farm was not an issue and this change does nothing but nerf even that ability.

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DAMAGE CHANGES

The big meat and potatoes. Just eyeballing the numbers, it is a 100% nerf. When you actually math the damage out, he has lost over 30% of his damage. Then you give only a portion of it back with extreme conditional things that will barely happen in high elo (max range shark and sitting 2 seconds in melee until you can get W to proc).

Fizz damage and Ratios on life (AP Ratios only)

• Lichbane: .5 AP magic

• Q: (.35 (also applies .3 active from W and .45 dot from W passive))

• W: (.45 dot, .30 active per auto)

• E: (.75)

• R: (1)

• 20% damage amp to all ratios except R (so multiply Q, W, E, lichbane above by an additional 20%)

New Fizz

• Lichbane: .5 AP magic

• Q: (.35, applies .30 W dot to all targets hit by Q)

• W: (.30 dot, .3 active for ONE auto. If you save it, does .9 after 2 seconds)

• E: (.75)

• R: (.5 - 1 AP + (.3 W dot but remember they don't stack if you hit shark and Q) Does .5 at close range, .75 at medium range, and does it's normal live at max.

• No damage amp.

Let us take JUST the AP ratios from live vs the AP ratios from PBE and plug in how much damage is done over 2 seconds. (we also assume the dot did the full damage) Assume one lich bane proc and max build 700 AP.

LIVE

• Lichbane: 350 (we are not including base ad in calculation, these are just AP ratios)

• Q: 455 + 315 dot from W

• W: Assume 2 autos in 2 seconds (420)

• E: 525

• R: 700

• 20% damage amp: 1.2 x (lich (350) + Q (455 + 315 dot from W) + W (420) + E (525)) = 2478

2478 + 700 = 3178 damage from Ratios in 2 seconds as Fizz ON LIVE

PBE FIZZ Assume Q hits two targets Assume Fizz manages to use his W properly Assume Fizz manages to hit max range shark (LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU DO EVERYTHING PERFECT EH???)

• Lichbane: (350)

• Q: (245 (no W amp) + 420 dot (split between 2 targets)

• W: 630

• E: 525

• R: 700

• No damage amp

2870 damage from Ratios in 2 seconds AS FIZZ ON PBE

So by assuming you do everything basically perfect, you still do less damage than fizz does on live. Meanwhile, Live fizz does not have to wait 2 seconds in order for the damage to pop off.

Now, let's assume you do not get a PERFECT scenario for PBE (assume you get engaged on and are going to die within .5 seconds (current vayne late game will 2 - 3 shot fizz in less than a second and he's alone)

• Lichbane (350)

• Q: 245 + 210

• W: 210

• E: 525

• R: (minimum range R) 350

Fizz will do 1680 damage from AP ratios on PBE LIVE fizz will still be able to do 2968 damage from AP ratios (minus 1 auto)

Do you not understand how massive these nerfs are. Best case scenario he is still under damage and worst case his damage is almost HALF.

I can do base damages but I think you get the point, the base damages do not fair much better because you are again missing the 20% amp.

• Riot, can you also explain how you expect the Fizz to survive in melee for 2 full seconds to pop off his W damage late game when you die in half a second by adc who 2 or 3 shots you?

• Riot can you explain how you expect us to hit max range sharks with a 1300 missile speed? (morgana Q is 1200 in comparison). It is currently well known on live that as Fizz, you use Q and shark while Q'ing otherwise everyone can easily use a short CD mobility tool to dodge or step side it like they do morgana's Q.

• Riot, can you explain how he is the hardest to PEEL AND PIN DOWN when akali gets a short teleport with shroud, 3, 800 yard triple dash with resets and leblanc gets to double distortion in and port back after .3 seconds to either location? Kass has 500 gap open/close on 1.2 CD : Meanwhile Fizz has 3.6 seconds on a 550 targeted dash and 6 seconds on 600ish E gap open/close with max CDR.

• Riot, can you explain how his lane phase was buffed?

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I'm sorry if i'm salty but these changes are ripe for a massive 30% win rate tops if you push these changes to live unless you have some massive changes to mobility like E resets on kill/assist, or MASSIVE increases in damage or big changes to survivability or a combination of such that haven't come out yet. Everyone is touting these as big buffs but there is nothing there but BIG nerfs. I've mained fizz since season 2 when he came out up until now, have over 6000 games on him and I was SUPER excited because based on what you were saying, you knew exactly how fizz worked and what needed to be done. And then he comes out on PBE and it's a ???????????

I've followed PBE for years and rarely do you do MASSIVE changes from what is currently on PBE. What is on PBE is more or less what you are going to get on live minus minor tweaks unless you pull the champion from the update to receive more work. Riot, this is one of those times you need to pull a champion from PBE. Push the rest of the sins live without him and figure out a way to properly change his W so that he isn't useless late game or so that the kit can support a delayed damage playstyle (which means you will need to give him range or Q will need to become untargetable, resets, shields or some other form of tankiness or some other kind of change that will allow him to live more than 1 second late game against an ADC).