@Riot Axes: New Black Cleaver (Non PBE Discussion)
Since most people can't post their thoughts on the PBE version of the Black Cleaver Changes I thought I would make a topic for the rest of us.
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It's a good change, and it won't make anyone OP. Anyone like Riven or Zed will actually be stealth nerfed because the Phage passive is useless to them, and they can just build Ghostblade or Hydra.
But for tanky fighters like Garen, Darius, and Renekton, and even Sion, it's a really good new item to pick.
I like this item however I think 10 less AD isn't enough of a trade off for all the new stats. I feel 35 or 30 would be a better adjusted amount for what the item does.
If the recipe gets changed to Phage + Kindlegem I would like to see another high damage item build out of the brutalizer that would be better for pure damage Assassins. Maybe something like Brutalizer + BF Sword + 713 gold (3600) with 80AD 10% CDR and 15 or 20 Armour Pen as a unique passive.
I think the 20% cdr will push Riven over the top. Same deal that when we had League of Cleavers some years ago.
20% cdr on Riven? No thanks.
It turns it into more of a Bruiser item. It does not have the flat 10 armor pen and has 10 less AD, but it now has 400 health, and some extra CDR for casters. I could potentially see champs like Garen and Darius liking the item for the Armor shred and the health boost.
The gist of what I get is that champions that buy early Brutalizer now have to go Youmuu's and that champions that buy early Phage now have another build path. Apparently, Brutalizer benefits AD burst casters (assassins) while Phage benefits tanky Bruisers (hp). Therefore, this item is a buff to the tanky meta and a nerf to the assassin burst meta. Now tanky champions classified as Bruisers can build early hp (in turn making them harder to burst) and transition it into an item that helps them do more damage late game.
i wouldnt complain if they made it more expensive again, up to the current price and slapped the 10 ad back on.
otherwise im pretty happy about the changes, for obvious reasons.
It turns it into more of a Bruiser item. It does not have the flat 10 armor pen and has 10 less AD, but it now has 400 health, and some extra CDR for casters. I could potentially see champs like Garen and Darius liking the item for the Armor shred and the health boost.
the armor shred doesnt make much of a difference than it does now. id even say the 10 flat pen instead of 5% extra shred are more useful.
but the 10% extra cdr are nice. and the speed buff is great. i dont mind losing a bit of damage vs squishies for getting a lot more sticking power.