My issue wih Tahm. Hope this gets addressed

SH Azykan··2 votes·538 views

Tahm overall is a great and unique champion. His kit is fairly balanced and he definitely fills a niche we didnt have yet.

My issue though is that Tahm has just as much, if not more ability to screw over your team as Bard does.

At least with bard he makes you invincible during the ult. Tahm however, can eat an amumu and spit him into the middle of your team. Or can eat the enemy that has low hp to save them from a jinx ult or an anivia E or whatever. I just had to deal with a tahm that literally did as much as possible to keep us from getting kills, and even spat the fed riven on top of our ryze...this Tahm was on my team, and just about single handedly lost us the game. Thankfully me and Jinx did amazing and the enemy team surrendered.

The catch is that tahm has to apply 3 stacks to eat an enemy...well he can also eat a teammate and screw them over too. He can eat ryze during ryze's passive and throw a fight due to it. Or eat anivia while she has ult up...(why is her ult canceled by this again?) At least Bard and Kalista have this "Screw over your own team" On their ults, Tahm's is a basic ability.

Something needs to be addressed about this. Because I cannot think of any champion that can almost lose you a game single-handed, where your mid and adc late game hyper scalers are getting fed early like that...

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LoLKiru2 votes

Trust me, if trolling or accidental bad playmaking was important in terms of design, DotA would not have nearly as many unique heroes as it does now.

Basically the point I'm making is that its bad to limit the kit of someone simply because it allows trolling or can result in bad playmaking (E.g: Bard ulting your team when the enemy is chasing you, when he meant to ult the enemy team)

Those same abilities allow for truly unique kits.

SH Azykan1 votes

In a competitive environment...in a game where you really want to climb to a higher division. Would you really be okay with someone doing this if it was your series into the next division? Assume Tahm for whatever reason gets buffed and is OP as all hell, and someone on your team picks him. You would be okay with that...until he uses his entire kit for the sole purpose of losing you that game. This game already can be held hostage by a troll. I don't like kits that enable trolling to be even more effective than just feeding...and I feel kits that do so need to have something about them addressed...something to be done simply to limit the troll potential without killing his play making.

Don't get me wrong, I like Tahm's overall design and I feel he will be great in the right hands...I am just worried about him in the wrong hands especially at lower elo.

Matezoide2 votes

No, he cant eat the enemy and spit on your team like that.

He slows himself by 95% and the spell lasts at least 2 seconds. If he put Riven onto your Ryze, then it is your Ryze's fault for walking right to him.

Same deal as the Amumu. Tahm cant troll anywhere near as hard as Bard. ''Eat an enemy to save him''? Not going to happen, W does a buttload of damage.

His kit is perfectly fine, just because some dick toe can troll on purpose doesnt mean he needs changes.

SH Azykan1 votes

He saved an enemy 3 times in my game, Anivia's E does a ton of damage as does a jinx rocket (more than Tahm's W), and he ate someone preventing either of those from connecting. (the person flashed over the wall after and my E was on CD so I couldn't finish the kill...)

And how was it Ryze's fault that Tahm turned towards him? they were killing her, and if Tahm had spat her literally any other direction Ryze would not have died and Riven still would have.

And the scenario with amumu "Team fight in river, amumu is on our front line stunned, tahm eats him...seemingly to keep him out of the fight while we focus other people. At the last second Tahm turns around and spit amumu straight into our teams carries...giving him an easy ult and his team collapses and kills us"

His kit is fine...I just want something like. Point and Click abilities still connect with an enemy eaten by an ally Tahm that were already in flight. And he can't eat an Ally champion currently channeling an ability.

Matezoide1 votes

Tahm's W does 32% of the enemy max health. If they were low enough to be killed by those, W would have gotten the kill.

Yes, it was Ryze's fault. Tahm messed up? Yes, but he is an idiot for staying right next to him as a ranged champion. He knew Riven would pop up soon, he had zero reason to be there, especially when said Ryze was so low to the point Riven could kill him in a single extra hit.

The scenario with Amumu didnt change anything. Tahm's spit range is tiny, even if he spat Mumu to the other way, he would just take half a second to get back to your carries and Ult. Literally any position Tahm took would result in Amumu getting into your team.

In order to eat an enemy, Tahm needs to get stacks of his Passive, which means he was fighting Mummy for a while, and since he wasnt dead from the enemy collapsing on him, it was a duel. Where was your team? Why did you rush right to Tahm?

You knew Tahm had Amumu inside him. You knew Amumu was still alive. But you and your team still got right next to him, got Ulted and killed. Amumu's Ultimate range is huge, 75 range or so (Barely a single step) is not going to magically turn his ult into a miss.

His W is already incapable of eating allies that are channeling or recalling. Trundle, Anivia and Kalista are the champs that can cancel the ally channel.

Trolls that want to throw the game will just feed over and over, regardless of the champion they picked. Tahm, at best, has some trolling potential in the form of eating an ally and then running away, which is annoying, but a price for his kit.

3tyson1 votes

this actualy seems like a fun game to me

like you have 4 players both teams and 2 tams 1 ea team

you can not kil tahm but the enemy tahm will try and assist your team as much as possible actualy add 2 bards and make it a 3v3 + 2 back stabbers ea team

they can only use their screw my team abilitys to assist you not actualy feed or be like HEY MY JUNGLER IS DOING DRAGON CUM KILL HIM GAIS

Dedrius1 votes

That is what makes him so unique and fun though, is the instance where the Tahm on your team accidentally does something stupid and kills your whole team. If Riot doesn't take some risks in terms of these types of plays then the game will get very stale.

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