Now that Cleaver builds from Phage

SH Azykan··7 votes·1,045 views

item 3134 only has 1 build option item 3142 since Cleaver is updated to build from Phage

We also have a distinct lack of ways for AD champs to cut healing, especially in the top lane where champs like Mundo go and laners are almost forced to go teleport over ignite. Meaning certain champs just get to free farm and you have no kill pressure without assistance from other lanes or being an AP champ.

So what if they made a new item build from item 3134 that could apply grievous wounds like item 3165

The item could be something like: Executioner's Calling (NEW) Recipe: item 3134 + item 1037 + 738 gold = 2950 gold +60 AD +10% cdr +10 A.Pen

Unique Active: For the next 6 seconds, Dealing Physical damage to an enemy champion Below 50% health inflicts Grievous Wounds for 4 seconds. (60 second CD)

Now yes, this would be strong on some champions like Zed (it is all stats he loves + the active removes a part of the counterplay to his ult) which is why it is just an example rather than what I'd actually expect to get put in game. And making it an active prevents it just being an auto win trades vs healing champs because you picked it up and can auto attack them.

Just an avenue I hope Riot could look at. And curious as to what others think as well ^_^

25 Comments

GreenLore3 votes

I think Brutalizer could use a 2nd upgrade,but doesn't really need it as much as phage needed one. I mean phage has a unique effect that is certainly useful on many champs,but many champs who could use phage had barely any use for trynforce,so it was cool that they gave it back a second upgrade.

Brutalizer on the other hand doesn't really offer a completely unique effect.

SH Azykan1 votes

Flat armor pen is it's niche

Lost R3 votes

Which is outperformed by Last Whisper and Black Cleaver. Youmuu's advantage over them is a brief, but powerful attack/movement speed steroid. Swing and a miss.

SH Azykan1 votes

Assassins like Yomuu's for the flat pen vs Squishies that aren't building any armor Cleaver and Whisper for killing tankier people. Why does Zed build a Yomuu's when it's active doesn't really boost his burst? because that 20 flat pen + cdr is really strong on him.

Nilok2 votes

He builds it for the active that helps boost his ult damage and chasing without using his escape?

SH Azykan2 votes

The active really doesn't help his burst vs squishies. normally if he lands his abilities correctly his skills will drop the opponent carry well below the threshold of his ult popping them without more than 1 auto. It does help his tower pushing and dueling vs tankier champs but that is not the reason he buys it (cleaver was better for the latter anyways).

GreenLore1 votes

There are other items with armor penetration though. But the Rage-effect of the Phage is completely unique to it.

Nilok3 votes

The problem is Brutalizer is used by a lot of AD casters and bruisers that have no use for Ghostblade. This effectively breaks the build path for these champions.

Basically Riot separated the legendary AD caster Item (Black Cleaver) from the advanced AD Caster Item (Brutalizer) and left it to only build into a fighter/carry item, thus making Brutalizer build into nothing for them.

It is honestly short sighted of Riot to not see this coming as a lot of AD casters/bruisers build Brutalizer into Black Cleaver and leaves them with only Warrior Enchantment as the only other build path they can make from Brutalizer since they don't make much use of crit or attack speed and want as much AD as possible.

Sukishoo3 votes

item 3134 builds into warrior too...

SH Azykan2 votes

not an option without running smite though. I am thinking for top laners specifically that like the CDR+Ar.Pen and have to lane against someone like Mundo.

Sukishoo2 votes

Well top laners tend to take smite these days.

shalec3 votes

But if you're running smite top lane, you're buying Cinderhulk, not Warrior.

Sukishoo2 votes

Not always, I've seen a few different ones.

SH Azykan2 votes

not the laners that this specifically should help. The ones doing so go cinderhulk. This would help carry top laners rather than tanks.

Z Statistic1 votes

I would rather they knock down Tiamat's AD to 25 and lower the cost accordingly.

If Brut was built into a pure offense AD caster item, it would need to be much more expensive so it couldn't be built too early and to make it more of a commitment. Example: Brut + BF + 613 gold (3500 gold total) 80 AD 10 CDR 15 ArPen

Unique passive: Premeditation - The next damaging spell your champion casts deals 10% more damage to champions and 50% more damage to minions. 45 second cooldown.

XxxLumberJackxxX1 votes

Cleaver really needs to be phage+ brutalizer+ruby crystal I mean.. read the damn passives....

SH Azykan2 votes

still runs into the issue of flat pen + %pen on the same item which is what they were moving away from if they do that

DrCyanide1 votes

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item 3134 only has 1 build option item 3142 since Cleaver is updated to build from Phage

Boo hoo, it's not like mages have had the same issue with item 3136 and item 3151

SH Azykan2 votes

I agree Guise needs something as well, but doesnt change the fact AD's have no way to deal with healing tanks like mundo unlike AP's

Linna Excel1 votes

Make it a part of Last Whisper's build path.

SH Azykan2 votes

No, then it runs into the same issue cleaver did. Flat pen + %pen on the same item is a bad idea

Critmaster Garen1 votes

you can stack ghostblade and warrior.

Khell DarkWolf1 votes

This just sounds like a terrible idea.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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This just sounds like a terrible idea.

depends on who youre playing imo.

SH Azykan2 votes

it works for champs like Khazix, but really you are losing a lot of slot efficiency with that. If you do so you are trying for early gold efficient power spikes to snowball and end the game quickly. That will fall off otherwise.

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