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My Aunt has a good point...

3ofGot40ve··156 votes·7,155 views

So I often play League with my cousin, we duo a lot in normals (not so much in ranked because I prefer solo play.) I go to his house often and we mess around in normals or just watch eachothers games. His mom, my aunt, wanted to make an account because she thought it would be fun if we could all play together. I helped her create an account and installed the Client on her laptop. Once she logged in, I informed her that she should try the Tutorial before playing a real game so she has a basic idea of the gameplay and objective. Once she loaded in and completed the first few tasks, I showed her how to recall. Once in base, I explained the Shop and the purpose of it before we hit a speed bump: Thornmail on Ashe. Our conversation went like this:

Me: "Ok so now that you have enough gold you can start buying items to make your champion stronger. This is telling you to build thornmail but your champion doesnt buy that item normally. On ashe you want to get a lot of damage, not armor. Buy the B.F Sword instead."

My Aunt: "Wait, if im not supposed to build this why is it telling me to buy it?"

Me: "..."

Seriously, if I wasnt there to tell her the right way to build, she would have thought Thornmail Ashe is completely normal, and would have gone into games getting flamed by the 5 million smurf accounts. Why, Riot?

135 Comments

DREADN0UGHT73 votes

teaching a parent to play a game as dense as League is.... a big thing.

Ralanr6 votes

This I can agree on.

iamthegoatofwar4 votes

I uh...tried to teach my mother. Keep in mind she played everquest a lot...Teaching her how to play failed badly.

Elikain2 votes

I tried to silence my mother once... Boy, do i regret that! KassadinKassadinKassadinKassadinKassadinKassadinKassadinKassadinKassadin

Yordle Xayah19 votes

That's one thing.

A very different thing is having the tutorial teaching newbies to build Thornmail on Ashe. Not a Zeal, not a Pickaxe, not Cutlass... no, a Thornmail.

A Thornmail on Ashe.

The tutorial teaches new players to build Thornmail on Ashe.

DREADN0UGHT10 votes

Well, you can see how effective it is. Do you see lots of thornmails on ashe?

Yordle Xayah6 votes

That's the point [zombie-brand-clap]

This thing has been on the tutorial for YEARS.

BloodyTompon4 votes

His point is the tutorial info doesn't stick. So is it really a problem, or is it just perceived to be a problem by those who already know how to play the game?

50000000000000002 votes

It's a shittier new player experience than it has to be.

DREADN0UGHT2 votes

I'm of the opinion that Riot won't ever pull a decent tutorial out because they would rather save money and let pro players and youtubers do it for free.

Elikain2 votes

Well, if they'd put a Pickaxe instead of a Thornmail, then some newbie would think he should spam buy 6 Pickaxes. Doesn't matter which item is in question if you can't understand what are the do's and don'ts when it comes to your inventory.

Quepha43 votes

Because thornmail makes it impossible for you to fail the tutorial.

According to Riot, despite the fact that you think the tutorial teaches you to build Thornmail on Ashe, pretty much no one continues to build Thornmail on Ashe or other adcs once they start playing the game.

Penns3 votes

Isnt it impossible to fail the tutorial already?

Xeruon1 votes

Riot said somewhere that building thornmail still helps you push the wave and helps you fight the enemy trundle.

redfeenix2 votes

More than an ie

Wheatloaf7 votes

It's the single most ghetto Band-Aid fix I have ever seen.

R FLASH XD35 votes

{quoted}

Because thornmail makes it impossible for you to fail the tutorial.

According to Riot, despite the fact that you think the tutorial teaches you to build Thornmail on Ashe, pretty much no one continues to build Thornmail on Ashe or other adcs once they start playing the game.

In fact, most people don't even know how to buy items even after the tutorial, lol.

xevi5 votes

too true

I didn't start building items until I was level 10

General Esdeath 3 votes

I started playing and got attack speed on Annie. I got a Wriggle's Lantern (I came from a game called Elsword where everyone needs attack speed for PvP) and didn't understand anything. I thought AD enhanced auto attacks and AP enhanced skills for everyone.

Sire Hippington5 votes

actually, that was the case with very few exeptions in leagues early days. There were only two skill that scaled with ad but not ap when i started playing in pre-season1, corkies E and ashe'S W, and shortly after pant was released with his q and e.

Jari4 votes

It doesn't MAKE it impossible to fail, it already is impossible to fail.

World Ender2 votes

It makes it so that eventually the bot that you have to kill (Trundle?) will just kill himself by attacking you, even if you don't fight back.

50000000000000002 votes

but... why wouldn't you fight back? It tells you to attack Trundle. If you're not attacking Trundle when it tells you too, you're probably just doing your own thing, in which case you're not trying to learn from tutorial anyway.

Hyrum Graff4 votes

{quoted}

Because thornmail makes it impossible for you to fail the tutorial.

Exactly this. You already can't die in the tutorial, but you have to push the wave and kill trundle. Thornmail means trundle will necessarily kill himself on you, and you'll push the wave if any minions attack you.

XIII Vanitas12 votes

Why didn't you introduce her to the Summoner's Rift tutorial, which is pretty flawless?

We already know that the ARAM tutorial is crap.

HayRoss3 votes

All the ARAM tutorial does is to make sure that you know how to move. It hardly teaches anything else

Bhagswag10 votes

Can't wait until this:

"Mom, what's for dinner?"

"Shut up you Bronze 7 noob, I'm too busy wrecking these kids."

TurquoiseYoshi9 votes

To be fair, the game gives you recommended items for each champion in real games. Unless you specifically remember that you got a Thornmail and specifically decide to ignore what you have been given as the recommended items, you'll probably build mostly correctly.

There are still many problems with the tutorial, like that it's on Howling Abyss and that it uses Ashe, but I don't think the Thornmail is a huge problem.

Its LiuKang2 votes

Despite that it does that many new players do not understand that

Terchio7 votes

You're teaching your aunt something more advanced than game basics. If, say, a new player was playing the game without a veteran's help, the armor would be good to show a fairly clear damage mitigation when you bought it. In fact, if I recall correctly, the Thornmail in that tutorial was absurdly more powerful than it is in real game. Save the specific stat attention for the more advanced (but still quite basic) tutorial.

If someone's learning the ropes, it's simply more helpful for you to do noticeably better defensively than offensively. If you end up chickening out when Trundle runs at you and running in circles screaming toward the enemy tower (I've seen it...), the game makes it more obvious that you have improved compared to your earlier self. However, if you can't focus him because you don't get that yet, you may hate this game before you get through the tutorial, which is the main thing they want to prevent...

Another thought that won't be popular. Some of the best monetary contributors end up being our more casual players. Sometimes, those types are just the ones who would give up after a horrific tutorial experience, particularly if someone's yelling behind them that they just fudged up the tutorial, and have huge mountains to climb. As I've said earlier, this I've also seen nearly happen, despite my efforts to teach.

IcyPepper7 votes

Howling Abyss tutorial is bad.

Summoners Rift tutorial is not so bad.

People seem to forget the latter exists, for some reason. They really need to revamp the former, though.

Aptest6 votes

the tutorial is teaching noob ADC players how to not get one-shotted by rengar.

how soon do they all forget.

TheMinez6 votes

Just spent 10 mins trying to die in the tutorial I bought thornmail and hit undo, promptly selling the cloth armor and chain vest I tried to die to tower, I only got down to the lowest of 2 hp for less than a second. I tried to dive fountain, the obelisk doesn't fire for the trundle's side. I tried executing to minions and trundle while the inhib was being attacked, the minions lost agro right after the inhib was destroyed by winions

HateDaddy4 votes

I feel like the most important question wasn't asked here:

Is your aunt hot

3ofGot40ve3 votes

Decide for yourself:

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article766745.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Susanne%20Eman%20poses%20for%20a%20photograph%20at%20a%20local%20park%20in%20Casa%20Grande,%20Arizona

bill843 votes

I thought thornmail was the best item in the game and should be bought buy every champ for at least my first 6-7 levels.

Spoofghoul2 votes

i just build damage so i could finish the tutorial faster

MrryZ7 votes

You can't though? Forgive me if I'm wrong but i thought it only gave you the option to buy thornmail?

Melledoneus6 votes

Yeah, I prefer to build the thornmail instead of the recommended thornmail. Thornmail provides more offensive stats that helps me complete the tasks of the tutorial such as killing minions, feeding poros, and making a Vayne main rage quit much faster than thornmail ever would.

Kudos to you, man! Thornmail is definitely better damage wise than stupid old thornmail.

JerulEon2 votes

Lol I was expecting this to be a post about the toxicity of league and how unfair it is for new players to join. Hopefully Riot revamps the tutorial because you need new players to keep your playerbase alive. Your aunt seems like a cool person!

General Esdeath 2 votes

At least in normals it doesn't say that. I feel like they wanted Garen to be the starter champ for tutorial and make him tank minions or something but said "Nah breasted archer lady brings in more people. Girls relate and guys like the boobs, send it in to the coding team."

The Loveless2 votes

It's not..normal? •_•

redfeenix1 votes

They're probably rework g the whole tutorial so that's why their not changing it.

However would it take so much work to change one fucking item in the tutorial shop? Just show ie instead of thornmail. Or even better. How about DORANS BLADE

Champion Skin3 votes

They use Thornmail because it is idiot proof (trundle kills himself and minions does the rest eventually)

Though using Garen and have Sunfire as the item to build would make way more sense...

SanKakU1 votes

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Arakadia3 votes

Those items would be too good probably.

Kudrov1 votes

your Aunt have better things to do than playing league .. please don't give her cancer wtf.

3ofGot40ve4 votes

His mom, my aunt, wanted to make an account because she thought it would be fun if we could all play together.

It was her Idea

Lirik1 votes

at least when you intent to show something to someone, make it proprely and show her the history of league of legend so she can take a decision for herself, she would have understand that league was once a good game and that now its pure bullshit so she would propably told you .. thanks for showing me this but why would you make me start playing this game in the worst season ever ?

FioraWillCarry5 votes

{quoted}

at least when you intent to show something to someone, make it proprely and show her the history of league of legend so she can take a decision for herself, she would have understand that league was once a good game and that now its pure bullshit so she would propably told you .. thanks for showing me this but why would you make me start playing this game in the worst season ever ?

The woman just wants to play with her family. What makes you think she would give two shits about all the stuff people complain about on the boards. The real value for her is the time spent having fun with her nephew and son.

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