As a solo queue player... I'm sick of having to play against two people the entire game.

TurretBud·Jun 23, 2016·59 votes·3,498 views

Having a jungler who's queued with ANYONE on their team is an absurd advantage, and shouldn't be matched against a team without a queued jungler, period.

Just ran into a trio queue, as far as I'm aware nobody on my team was queued together (they were flaming each other in chat), the communication between jungle and mid/top pretty much won them the game, Hecarim chain ganked me and set up 4/5 man dives bot. The coordination is simply impossible to match as a solo queue player.

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Looked up the laner I was against after the game, he was bronze last season, he had 6 games (all wins) with a guy that wasn't in the game, looked that guy up, he's a Hecarim main, boosted this guy out of bronze and into silver, and switched accounts to continue boosting him...

78 Comments

jaymc1130Jun 23, 201638 votes

Dun worry, DQ is healthy for the game and everyone loves it brah.

#whatissarcasm

R FLASH XDJun 23, 20164 votes

Back when we had solo q you could still duo.So you can still queue with a jungler

NilokJun 23, 201611 votes

But you weren't assured the jungle role, or any role. You could duo, and it did have an effect, but its effect was mitigated by having 3 other players who weren't in lock step with you.

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbJun 23, 20162 votes

You could do this on the old duo queue too. If you're gonna whine about dynamic queue, at least think critically about what you're saying to be sure it isn't at the very least a problem that wasn't introduced by dynamic queue.

jaymc1130Jun 23, 20163 votes

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You could do this on the old duo queue too. If you're gonna whine about dynamic queue, at least think critically about what you're saying to be sure it isn't at the very least a problem that wasn't introduced by dynamic queue.

I'm quite specific in my dislike for larger premade groups existing in DQ and being allowed to constantly act in a toxic fashion and ruin games for players.

No matter what, because Riot doesn't do shit about trolls in the first place, or afks, or scripting, or boosting, or purchasing accounts, etc, there will always be some toxic element of players in league.

What I am clearly opposed to is a problem that was introduced to the game exclusively because of the existence of DQ. That being: Solo players no longer have a game mode in which they can avoid toxic trolly premades. We literally do not have one. You are subject to the torment of a gang of hostile players in every game mode now. This LITERALLY only occurred because solo q was removed for DQ.

You might want to think critically next time before you say something silly.

nice tableJun 23, 201617 votes

as a cassio top you deserve to get camped every game you play

FortisDominusJun 23, 20165 votes

i was honestly about to say this myself lol, its like vayne or graves top. Theres nothing wrong with it, you just look like an asshole for doing it.

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbJun 23, 20161 votes

you are an asshole. I played against a caitlyn top recently. Started all inning her every chance I got because she doesn't have the greatest of escapes. They still won because she just split pushed with her ADC turret taking towers and my team couldn't 4v4.

Only Play DariusJun 23, 20161 votes

What champion were you playing?

Only Play DariusJun 23, 20161 votes

As much as I despise ranged tops, he's a lvl 7 Cass so it's not like he's just abusing the freelo. If only I would get even an occasional gank when I'm playing Darius/Nasus/Illaoi against any squishy ranged top shoving that hard. My games would go much differently. But then again my jungler is usually trio with the other lanes and ignores me so there's always a way to blame DQ for low quality games.

RoodToobJun 23, 20167 votes

It has nothing to do with Freelo, its like a Jhin mid. Its a free gank, they have no escapes and are squishy

Champion SkinJun 23, 20167 votes

I agree And on top of that Hecarim snowballs really hard so of course he would target lanes who are easy targets to try and snowball off them

nice tableJun 23, 20164 votes

any jungler that doesn't gank the ranged top laners needs to uninstall, same for all the junglers that gank for the ranged top.

if i see a enemy pick a ranged top im sitting in tri whole game and diving them, if i see my team pick a ranged top i will leave em on a island.

BagguetteJun 24, 20161 votes

why is your name cummies

TurretBudJun 24, 20161 votes

Yea, I suppose, usually I'd just pick a stupid boring tank, but trundle is ridiculously un-fun to play against as a tank, and I've played cassio vs. trundle a few times, match up is heavily tilted in cassio's favor. Even after getting camped by Hecarim, I was able to out-duel trundle quite easily.

some tatersJun 23, 201610 votes

I seriously don't understand what the issue is with Dynamic Queue. You should honestly be prepared for anything in any game. I just hit diamond and before the game even starts I keep in mind that there is a chance my lane opponent is a smurf or is playing with a group. The fact that a team has more coordination between 2-4 people does not mean you always lose. I climbed from placements to D5 in a reasonable amount of time, 95% solo. Play safely, Harass safely, farm safely, and get a feel for your opponents over the course of the game.

KING ATTILAJun 23, 20167 votes

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I seriously don't understand what the issue is with Dynamic Queue. You should honestly be prepared for anything in any game. I just hit diamond and before the game even starts I keep in mind that there is a chance my lane opponent is a smurf or is playing with a group. The fact that a team has more coordination between 2-4 people does not mean you always lose. I climbed from placements to D5 in a reasonable amount of time, 95% solo. Play safely, Harass safely, farm safely, and get a feel for your opponents over the course of the game.

Really, really fucken tired of the "I climbed to ______ so DQ is fine," argument.

Solari FortuneJun 23, 201610 votes

and I'm really tired of seeing a "Dynamic Queue sucks cause people are using teamwork in a team game" Post every day

My Waifu VanillaJun 23, 20167 votes

People make it sound like in solo queue it was a bunch of headless monkeys running around with zero coordination. There were times last year where (if I ended up ADC) me and the support just kind of clicked and snowballed the lane, or if I ended up getting top (the lane I played most of my games) the jungler loved me because Akali snowballs (despite building tank) and is very easy to gank for post-6.

You could get super coordinated randoms or you could get less coordination and it was a mixed bag. With DynaQ now that the chances somewhat move from 50-50 everyone loses their mind. Adapt and just assume you will get camped and don't play so God damn aggro (the OP has no excuse since he knew full well the jg was duo'd with top AND he was immobile).

Nimble MantaJun 23, 20169 votes

Well it's a valid counter point to "I can't climb out of [insert lower elo] therefore it must be dynamic que because I obviously belong in [insert higher elo]."

The WhamboozlerJun 24, 20161 votes

Observe children... it's a strange and nearly extinct species. The high elo player who doesn't hate DQ. Tragically, as he is the only one... his species is doomed due to a lack of breeding potential.

Grunt666Jun 24, 20161 votes

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I seriously don't understand what the issue is with Dynamic Queue. You should honestly be prepared for anything in any game. I just hit diamond and before the game even starts I keep in mind that there is a chance my lane opponent is a smurf or is playing with a group. The fact that a team has more coordination between 2-4 people does not mean you always lose. I climbed from placements to D5 in a reasonable amount of time, 95% solo. Play safely, Harass safely, farm safely, and get a feel for your opponents over the course of the game.

Right its that 95% solo part, and now in d5 you are a bottom dweller floating the in refuse, you rarely carry a game, you have utterly pathetic CS scores, your KDA is medicore, you don't dominate the game in dmg delt, the only champ you have a winning record with is brand. and its not that stellar in anyway, you dont feed though its clear you play really safe and the net result of your match is almost always determined by your teammates not YOU. You're not actually climbing much at all except your last little run which is easily attributed to basic luck. You dont even play enough ranked games to notice DQ.

simply put your opinion really isnt a very good barometer of DQ, it does seem to have worked fine for you, you are climbing via the good graces of your teamates most fo the time, infact you are the poster child of what is wrong with the entire ranked system to be honest, imho.

TurretBudJun 24, 20161 votes

Here's my problem: I'm a shit player, I like to play aggressively, I like to aggressively flash, and enjoy aggressive laning (I know, all of these things are stupid, and at a high rank these types of things rarely happen because capitalizing on mistakes is much easier than forcing mistakes). I'm sure if I played some stupid wave-clear bot mid lane and played passively like 90% of the people I run into, I'd have no troubles "climbing" the ranks or whatever. I'm honestly not interested in much higher than upper-divison gold/low plat. But as it is, I feel like play making is taking a backseat to whoever has better communication and can wait the longest for their jungler to gank gets to win.

If I'm vs another player my level who isn't queued with their jungler, I usually get a chance to get ahead and out-play my opponent before getting ganked and attempting to 2v1 or escape, but with them being queued together they'll continue ganking until they come out on top. Obviously, I'd be punished much harder at higher-levels of play, but I've never been out of Gold, and don't plan on changing my play style to do so, as it is, aggressive play is punished much harder in a team environment.

UpDownLeftRightABJun 23, 20167 votes

Try playing adc against a premade, you'll end up getting the 4/5 man gank train running bot and trying to ask teammates for help is just asking to be flamed.

AmelieJun 23, 20163 votes

This speaks to me on so many levels.

TurretBudJun 24, 20161 votes

Yea, I use to be a jungle/ADC main last season, this season I've pretty much been forced into playing mid or top in an attempt to be able to be relevant as a solo queue player.

RainboomJun 23, 20166 votes

I think a lot of people are jumping on the DQ flame wagon. Even in solo queue I've mainly played against duos. Doesn't make me like it any more, but I gtf over it

DarkRitualJun 23, 20164 votes

This is a issue with smurfs more than an issue with DQ.

EddardStark84Jun 23, 20161 votes

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This is a issue with smurfs more than an issue with DQ.

No, it's not. He's 100% right. The enemy side having a jungle in their group is simply a huge advantage based on what he said. It has nothing to do with smurfs in general , although I agree, it makes it even more of an advantage.

ShhYoureMutedJun 23, 20163 votes

This is was Gold tier? That's sad. These team comps are trash. You shouldn't have expected much after you saw the Twitch Jungle with no tanks and little to no engage/disengage on your team. However, I also find it interesting that you complained about ganks, but didn't upgrade your ward.

omnicron007Jun 23, 20162 votes

The yellow trinket is very valuable to toplaners because it's the only one you can TP to.

R FLASH XDJun 23, 20161 votes

But when do you tp to wards that you place?

DarkRitualJun 23, 20162 votes

When you drop one walking past Baron and need to make a contesting team play.

Only Play DariusJun 23, 20162 votes

Sad when blue trinket is considered the "upgrade", even though it's completely visible and dies in one hit. Just bring back old trinket upgrade ffs

VladimirSnakeyesJun 23, 20161 votes

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DarkRitualJun 23, 20161 votes

Except red. The upgrade is better 99.98% of the time.

VladimirSnakeyesJun 23, 20161 votes

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DarkRitualJun 23, 20161 votes

If the base red trinket lasted long enough to kill two wards at lvl 16, I could see a reason to have one of each sweeper. I used to not upgrade because I liked sweeping from range, but it was basically nulled by not being able to sweep well enough. You sweep and area and whiff, sucks yo be you. Upgraded sweeper can cover up to 10x the area, unless you find a ward to stop and kill. Now I upgrade 100% of the time. Over the course of a full game, it's actually just better 100% of the time.

Jeanne fan clubJun 23, 20161 votes

Trash team comps are all over the place. It gets much worse in Plat trust me. Only thing is that in plat there is a higher chance of these stupid comps working. Its actually very funny a lot of the time lol.

RoodToobJun 23, 20163 votes

I mean, as much as i agree comms can be annoying as hell, didn't this communication between say Mid and Jungle happen before anyway? Granted they don't have top with them, but its still almost as potent

TurretBudJun 24, 20161 votes

Most definitely, I've never agreed with duo queue for similar reasons, but 3+ people is definitely more noticeable and more difficult to deal with. Last season I was frustrated with imbalanced duo queues, but this season it just feels so much more common and with the drastic dependence on carry junglers and the snowball-y nature of most games, my experience has been much worse.

For competitive integrity to be highest, pure solo queue would be the only solution (most likely never happening, but I can dream).

Lady HammerlockJun 24, 20162 votes

But Duo Queing is fine...considering it existed with Solo Q

BlanchimontJun 24, 20162 votes

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But Duo Queing is fine...considering it existed with Solo Q

The problem is that once you get to three people, they now consist of the majority of the team. There's a reason why Duo Queue was the cap and 3 players suddenly became a ranked team.

69469238DEL1Jun 23, 20161 votes

Mad cause bad

Leon EtoileJun 23, 20164 votes

You realize you are the same rank as that guy and played about 3x more games to get there?

69469238DEL1Jun 24, 20161 votes

Ok? I started playing during Worlds last season. This season I climbed from Bronze to Gold all on my own. At least I'm not like you baddies who spend years in Silver.

Leon EtoileJun 24, 20161 votes

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Ok? I started playing during Worlds last season. This season I climbed from Bronze to Gold all on my own. At least I'm not like you baddies who spend years in Silver.

I'm not sure what this is in reply to but 2 points: 1) Your stats are shitty for someone in Gold, you obviously are boosted. 2) Looking at your ranked match history I noticed you regularly queue as 3 man party with Juree and Duginator.

Stay boosted friend!!

69469238DEL1Jun 25, 20161 votes

You feel stupid now huh XD

EddardStark84Jun 23, 20162 votes

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Mad cause bad

No. Mad because you are an idiot. Educate yourself.