If you're going to go through with the new "Shield Bash" rune, you have to nerf Tank Viktor ASAP

Bârd·Oct 24, 2018·38 votes·15,647 views

For those of you who haven't read surrenderat20, this rune will be replacing bone plating.

"Whenever you gain a shield, while still shielded your next basic attack against a champion deals 5 - 39 (+1.5% Bonus Health) (+8.5% Shield Amount) bonus adaptive damage (minimum 4s proc window)."

Notice how there is no cool down on this?

Now, imagine this on a champion who:

Is ranged
Shields himself every two seconds
Hastes himself constantly
Builds IBG

Tank Viktor is already very strong, but this could push him over the edge.

Don't let this get past preseason, Riot.

88 Comments

RexxieeOct 24, 201821 votes

This rune is general is an awful idea.

Its like giving a second grasp for free for tanks.

YuGiHoOct 24, 20182 votes

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This rune is general is an awful idea.

Its like giving a second grasp for free for tanks.

except grasp requires u to be in combat for 4 sec before you auto, with this thing a riven can just e into you and hit you with it. honestly riven is tho only champ im concerned with with this rune because she has always been such a explosive champion.

theChibiTinaOct 25, 20181 votes

Are you forgetting Lux, Urgot, Ekko, Sion, etc. Lux can proc it twice with one ability as it gives her a shield when she casts it and a shield when it recalls. Sion and Urgot are already strong. That's just off the top of my head. (Riven was on my mind, but she's the one you mentioned.)

YuGiHoOct 25, 20181 votes

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Are you forgetting Lux, Urgot, Ekko, Sion, etc. Lux can proc it twice with one ability as it gives her a shield when she casts it and a shield when it recalls. Sion and Urgot are already strong. That's just off the top of my head. (Riven was on my mind, but she's the one you mentioned.)

I was thinking more about reliability and frequency of use when i mentioned riven. all riven has to do is e into an enemy champ and auto them, she also builds allot of cdr so chances are she will get 2-3 triggers in a fight vs someone she wont instantly burst. My thoughts are champs with shields and mobility (so they can shield then dash or dash and then shield for the trigger) wlll be the primary users Camille Urgot , bonus points if you have a shield that has a low cool down on top of having a dash Riven Shen Yasuo .

theChibiTinaOct 26, 20181 votes

I still think it will be a big problem with Lux. She might not have mobility, but she's ranged. Use her E to get her mark, W for shield, auto attack (so extra damage from mark and the rune), shield on return, auto attack. Plus she also builds CDR. She'll be just as much of a problem. Ekko has have both mobility and shield. You are right about it having decent cooldown though, but it will still increase his burst. Urgot is strong currently and I imagine this could have the potential to break him. I'm waiting for Tanksuo to be a thing again now. Tbh, I didn't even think about him until you mentioned it. Ugh!

ApocalypsicOct 25, 20181 votes

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This rune is general is an awful idea.

Its like giving a second grasp for free for tanks.

I’m ready to abuse the fuck out of it on Riven since I can opt into resolve inspiration and then pick offensive stats.

45 % CDR, scaling CDR(maybe), free sustain and extra burst from shield damage and actual damage stats in the early game with it, yes please. Who needs conq when you can grab lord doms.

ApocalypsicOct 26, 20181 votes

On second thought I'm trolling..

Conq without having to spec into attack speed :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ParoeOct 24, 201812 votes

Why are you people even whining about viktor? Its not even an actual tank build, its normal viktor building IBG instead of lichbane. Its a counter pick to strong short range champions like Aatrox, Urgot, Irelia, Jax, etc...

Or do you subscribe to the idea that there should be no strategy and that counterplay is being able to right click harder?

BârdOct 24, 201811 votes

I subscribe to the idea that Riot didn't design Shield Bash with Viktor in mind, and that a lesser rune that tacks on 40-50 damage to every Q-auto is going to be overpowered, especially considering he's already very strong.

ParoeOct 24, 20182 votes

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I subscribe to the idea that Riot didn't design Shield Bash with Viktor in mind, and that a lesser rune that tacks on 40-50 damage to every Q-auto is going to be overpowered, especially considering he's already very strong.

Hes strong in a specific meta because he counters low-range champions. Viktor has been below par for something like two seasons now, why are you whining about him NOW?

Are you going to complain about Orrn too?

BârdOct 24, 20187 votes

Ornn is a low mobility melee champion who would proc this every 5.4 seconds.

Viktor is a speedy ranged champion who would proc it every 2.5 seconds.

Viktor uses this rune leagues better than any other champion, unless Mordekaiser has some buggy interaction with it.

RyusaetherOct 25, 20181 votes

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Ornn is a low mobility melee champion who would proc this every 5.4 seconds.

Viktor is a speedy ranged champion who would proc it every 2.5 seconds.

Viktor uses this rune leagues better than any other champion, unless Mordekaiser has some buggy interaction with it.

Ok, but we still don't know if the rune will have a CD, and to top it off it scales off BONUS hp. Which Tanktor doesn't build, other than Iceborn Gauntlet. He gets a good scaling off his shield, 8,5% is big for sure, but he doesn't invest in mana either, so his shield won't be that fat.

They are also changing the effects of time warp tonic etc, so his refillable start will be worse.

Just wait and see, this rune didn't even go through, and there will surely be more problematic champs ( TahmKench Sion Nautilus )

BârdOct 25, 20181 votes

There is no internal cool down yet. It's just whenever you get a new shield.

IBG and Hex Core alone are 950 mana, and it's fairly common for him to get even more mana when going tank for this express purpose.

Even though he won't get as much damage per proc as other users, he more than makes up for that with the sheer number of procs.

IllabetheOct 25, 20181 votes

Sion won't be problematic.

Urgot might.

Moody POct 24, 201824 votes

rambling about muh counterplay when top lane viktor stat checks you with infinite hastes and shields

the eternal mage main strikes again

ParoeOct 24, 20183 votes

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the eternal mage main strikes again

I actually tend to play tanks and supports, not mages. Viktor is easily countered by champions who either out range him or out push him. His real strengths are in his pushing power - which is very strong due runes reforged - and his team fighting ability with W and R.

You wanna whine about stat checks? Quinn, Poppy, Urgot, Aatrox, Irelia, Jax, Shen, Gai'sa, Graves ... there so many champions who have been meta, and you people whine about Viktor because he sees pro play on the world stage as a counter pick to low range carries?! He builds IBG instead of lich bane and harasses like zed and talon. You know the counter to that? OUT RANGE HIM. For real people, why cant you understand a counter pick is MEANT TO COUNTER A PICK.

BârdOct 24, 201813 votes

You realize he's being played in top right now, right?

Where 90% of the roster DOESN'T out range him?

ParoeOct 24, 20184 votes

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You realize he's being played in top right now, right?

Where 90% of the roster DOESN'T out range him?

You realize hes being played top as a counter pick to low range carries, right? Otherwise he would have been top lane all season and this problem would have come to a head a LONG time ago.

You shouldnt clamor for nerfs to counter picks or strategies unless said strategy is actually toxic - Proxy Singed and Tricky Udyr are examples of such things.

PlebonicEbonicOct 24, 20183 votes

nobody is gonna agree with you because they want to abuse their freelo, and viktor comes in the way of that.

Moody POct 24, 20185 votes

enjoying how tanks are simultaneously terrible and freelo on boards

lmao

RyusaetherOct 25, 20181 votes

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nobody is gonna agree with you because they want to abuse their freelo, and viktor comes in the way of that.

A champ that has been hot garbage for 2 years finally sees place NOT EVEN IN HIS LANE, let's shut him down, maybe nerf how he performs in mid as well while we're at it.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 24, 20184 votes

I can tell you why: This is still A GAME meant to be FUN and there is NOTHING fun about a champ you can never beat, never gapclose to never do anything against him other than stand under turret and hope you don't die too much.

It is absolutely fuckin cancer and makes everyone want to quit this game who plays toplane.

PlebonicEbonicOct 24, 201812 votes

who are you talking about? Irelia ? Jax ? Urgot ? Aatrox ?

oh wait, youre talking about the one guy who beats them at their own game Viktor . this is the problem with league. something off-meta shows to counter said cancer meta picks, and boards cry about it until its gutted. THEN 2 weeks later they cry about how there's no counters to said cancer picks i listed above. Oh hey is it tank victor top? why not take Karma ? longer range, good movespeed, 40% missing hp heal +3 sec tether. Fiora ??? you can't tell me IBG alone stops fiora's mobility in its tracks. Maokai ??

Moody POct 24, 20182 votes

Victor loses to or goes even with all of these champions

lmao at you thinking he's not right beside those 4 in shitting on everyone else though

Weiss GuertenaOct 24, 20183 votes

There's also nothing fun about, say, Jax or Irelia brainlessly diving you and killing you through pure stat-checking. Tank Viktor is a necessary evil, and I hope to God the abominations that actually make him see play get trashed with a nerf bat before he does.

Moody POct 24, 20182 votes

Viktor loses to both of these champions, what 'necessary evil' does he have by dumpstering immobile melees and tanks with no counterplay?

IllabetheOct 25, 20181 votes

He doesn't lose to Irelia. She can't escape his Ult or field.

Moody POct 25, 20182 votes

lolalytics puts her as one of his worst matchup

zaire90Oct 24, 20182 votes

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I can tell you why: This is still A GAME meant to be FUN and there is NOTHING fun about a champ you can never beat, never gapclose to never do anything against him other than stand under turret and hope you don't die too much.

It is absolutely fuckin cancer and makes everyone want to quit this game who plays toplane.

Isnt that all ranged top laners tho.

IllabetheOct 25, 20181 votes

You really have no clue. You cannot escape his Ult on his Iceborne build. Even as Tank, it does about 10% of your HP a second..... all while Viktor is also pummeling you.

Right after this thread was posted, someone used this on my.

Tank Viktor did 68k damage in 32 minutes..... with the only AP items in his entire build being Hextech Core, and a Banshee's Veil.

Outrange him? What a joke, He can literally 1v3.

ParoeOct 25, 20181 votes

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You really have no clue. You cannot escape his Ult on his Iceborne build. Even as Tank, it does about 10% of your HP a second..... all while Viktor is also pummeling you.

Right after this thread was posted, someone used this on my.

Tank Viktor did 68k damage in 32 minutes..... with the only AP items in his entire build being Hextech Core, and a Banshee's Veil.

Outrange him? What a joke, He can literally 1v3.

YOU clearly have no clue. Building item 3748 item 3071 item 3053 item 3047 item 3742 item 3065 does NOT make you a tank - it makes you a bruiser.
The same can be said for IBG Viktor - which is nothing more than normal viktor with maybe an abyssal mask for AP matchups and an IBG instead of lichbane for the slow field.

As for your anecdotal evidence; Listen up buttercup. ANY champion who gets fed asf and who does high AoE damage will do large damage across the course of the game. IBG Viktor is MEANT to counter low mobility. low range champions. ANYONE with high burst and mobility will do good against IBG Viktor; In fact, Viktor is fairly weak to all ins and a maw will shut him down pretty good until you can get your adaptive helm (if hes really an issue).

You CANNOT claim OP when; A) Its a pick that was used in worlds as a counter and hasnt recieved much airtime beforehand B) Its a build meant as a counter to specific kinds of champions C) Its not even THAT strong. Are you going to claim that pre-base damage malzahar was OP because he did 120K damage in fourty minutes with 0 kills, 2 deaths, and 38 assists? How about mundo? You gonna claim mundo is OP because he does 80K with 5 kills, 8 deaths, and 35 assists?

Deathhawk888Oct 24, 20188 votes

Ugh I hate tank Viktor . It’s not even super broken, just super frustrating. He just does Q + Auto to proc Iceborn + E and then runs away because you’re slow. He then repeats this every 5 seconds.

ParoeOct 24, 20184 votes

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Ugh I hate tank . It’s not even super broken, just super frustrating. He just does Q + Auto to proc Iceborn + E and then runs away because you’re slow. He then repeats this every 5 seconds.

Its not even a tank build. Just call it IBG Viktor - because thats what it is.