Every 50,000 champion mastery points should reset the chest award.

Sex Crazed Eve·Jun 21, 2018·70 votes·16,729 views

pls help I don't own/play hardly anything anymore.

61 Comments

Snowman ArcJun 21, 201811 votes

That's the point of the chests, though. They force you to learn and play different champions.

Warlord RhinarkJun 21, 201832 votes

[{quoted}](name=Snowman Arc,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k17L8e7G,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-21T08:52:39.616+0000)

That's the point of the chests, though. They force you to learn and play different champions.

Except it's not really about learning the champion.

It's about stealing as much cs and as many kills as possible.

JonneeGJun 21, 20184 votes

Well, kind of. If you personally have to get an S, then I could see the argument, but since it's anyone on your premade, it kind of defeats the purpose (if that was the purpose).

For example, I can queue as a first time Aatrox with my friend who mains akali, and as long as they get an S, I get a chest. Then I'll play my main and get an S while they stumble around as Aatrox and they'll get a chest. Sure sometimes it takes a couple games, but it's pretty consistent.

Nanolathe11Jun 21, 20181 votes

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Well, kind of. If you personally have to get an S, then I could see the argument, but since it's anyone on your premade, it kind of defeats the purpose (if that was the purpose).

For example, I can queue as a first time Aatrox with my friend who mains akali, and as long as they get an S, I get a chest. Then I'll play my main and get an S while they stumble around as Aatrox and they'll get a chest. Sure sometimes it takes a couple games, but it's pretty consistent.

must be nice to have friends to play with. ive been playing league since s7 beginning and i can count my premade games on 1 hand. sometimes i get invites and what not but then we just sit there and wait for others to invite or wait for someone to go do something quick, etc etc. annoying. ill play solo q all day and not wait on anyone

JonneeGJun 22, 20181 votes

If you'd like to queue up sometime, I'd be willing to, I'm fine with just going duo and ignoring most of the dead time. Feel free to add and invite me whenever.

Snowman ArcJun 22, 20181 votes

I had quite a lot of friends to play with but a lot of them quit the game because they either got bored of it or for real life reason. I also broke up with my girlfriend who was also playing League, so now for the past year or so, I've only been playing solo. Honestly, sometimes it's better. You get to do whatever you want, without worrying if you ruin your friends' gaming experience.

Nanolathe11Jun 21, 20181 votes

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That's the point of the chests, though. They force you to learn and play different champions.

exactly. theres over 150 champs in this game and you have 50k mastery on 1...? time to switch it up. theres ALOT of good champs out there, idk why anyone would limit themselves to just one so they could be an "expert" at it

JonneeGJun 22, 20182 votes

Maybe they like a specific playstyle? Perhaps they want to play the game differently than you? Maybe they don't find many other champs enjoyable? Who knows? I certainly don't, which is why I would hope to be slower to assume motives and actions of a group of potentially diverse people.

If anything, another question could be "Why doesn't riot reward people for becoming an 'expert' at a champ?", or "Why are people allowed to get carried by pre-mades getting S's instead of earning chests themselves?"

Snowman ArcJun 22, 20181 votes

Getting mastery points on champions doesn't mean much. You see a lot of people having millions of mastery points and they are in bronze. Also, if they don't want to play other champions, then they have to deal with the fact that they just won't get chests.

JonneeGJun 22, 20181 votes

I don't believe I said mastery points meant anything about skill. I think we agree there. I'd say that mastery points show the amount of time that you've committed to playing a specific champ

If I'm an absolutely awful adc player, and I get hard carried by a premade yi, they will get an S and I will get a chest. Have I learned how to play that adc in 1 game? Maybe, but not necessarily?

On the contrary to the original post, If the goal is to have people learn how to play a champ, I'd suggest chests be tied to a separate mastery stat that resets each season. Once you get an arbitrary number of points with a champ, you get a chest. No luck or friends involved

After getting X amount of mastery points, (eg 30,000) have I learned how to play a champ?

30k points is about 30 wins, or about 200 losses. The true number will be somewhere between those 2. By then, because I've invested the time, I'd hope to have actually learned the champion in 30+ games.

If my premade carries me, I still get the experience of 30 games on the champ; maybe by the end of it I won't be so heavy?

I understand that there's an argument that in practice it will bring in bots to farm mastery, but in that case some work around would have to be found. (eg. pausing mastery point generation on very long losing streaks, Report function being improved for botting, etc)

Nanolathe11Jun 25, 20181 votes

{quoted}

Maybe they like a specific playstyle? Perhaps they want to play the game differently than you? Maybe they don't find many other champs enjoyable? Who knows? I certainly don't, which is why I would hope to be slower to assume motives and actions of a group of potentially diverse people.

If anything, another question could be "Why doesn't riot reward people for becoming an 'expert' at a champ?", or "Why are people allowed to get carried by pre-mades getting S's instead of earning chests themselves?"

i do agree with the second part of that. so if you play premades all day and you have good friends yoiu coiuld get chests even if you stank. meanwhile i play solo prolly 95% of the time and i get all my own rewards. oh well, thats life for ya. not fair

JonneeGJun 26, 20181 votes

A solution I proposed in a comment below would be to get XX,000 mastery points on a champ each season to get a chest (not repeatable within a season), then you have to learn to play the champ either decently (winning), or a lot (losing).

Would that be an idea you'd agree with?

Nanolathe11Jun 28, 20181 votes

{quoted}

A solution I proposed in a comment below would be to get XX,000 mastery points on a champ each season to get a chest (not repeatable within a season), then you have to learn to play the champ either decently (winning), or a lot (losing).

Would that be an idea you'd agree with?

i just wish they would revert how difficult it is to get an S rank back to last season. back then if i ever went 10/1/10 with however much cs. i KNEW i was getting an S rank. now you just never know its so random i swear. one game last night we stomped them and i went 9/0/7 with over 100 cs and a forfeit at like 20 mins. got an A- rank. other games i go 18/6/10 and i do get an S rank.. makes no sense

JonneeGJun 29, 20181 votes

Yeah, I feel you, Rito is weird like that. If anything, I'd be fine if they made it more difficult than last season, and actually told us exactly what they wanted (like a literal list of the requirements on each champ).

ahferroin7Jun 21, 20181 votes

Or play premades on ARAM.

Snowman ArcJun 22, 20181 votes

Well, ARAM is not the place that you learn a champion.

ahferroin7Jun 22, 20181 votes

Just starting, yeah, it's not the best place. Once you have a decent idea of how to play someone though, it's a reasonably good place to learn how to effectively team fight using them because you're teamfighting all the time.

My point though was that if you just want chests, playing premades on ARAM is a reasonably reliable way to get them.

Mr DallowayJun 28, 20181 votes

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Well, ARAM is not the place that you learn a champion.

ARAM is a great low-stress way to learn the mechanics of champions. It does not however always translate well into a regular summoner's rift game. As a mostly ARAM player my weakness in summoner's rift is laning phase.

Luxana CrowngardJun 21, 20188 votes

Sona is all I play anymore. I do have like 30 chests no keys tho. :(

Sex Crazed EveJun 21, 20181 votes

unlucky

Mast3rShakeJun 21, 20182 votes

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unlucky

no it isn’t, it is his fault. it has zero to do with luck, zero

Sex Crazed EveJun 21, 20181 votes

Wait, we can control the frequency of key drops? As far as I know you get them for receiving honors. If your teammates don't honor you, even if you do well, you don't get keys. Isn't that considered unlucky?

Nanolathe11Jun 21, 20181 votes

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Wait, we can control the frequency of key drops? As far as I know you get them for receiving honors. If your teammates don't honor you, even if you do well, you don't get keys. Isn't that considered unlucky?

add me as friend if youd like :)

Sex Crazed EveJun 21, 20181 votes

You should ask the Sona main. I have keys, I don't have chests.

Mama SorakaJun 22, 20183 votes

Classic Sona player: All Chest

[sg-poppy]

Luxana CrowngardJun 23, 20181 votes

Oof. summoner 12

blindasleepJun 22, 20181 votes

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is all I play anymore. I do have like 30 chests no keys tho. :(

If I could trade you chest for keys. So many keys.

14daysuspensionkApr 10, 20191 votes

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is all I play anymore. I do have like 30 chests no keys tho. :(

I have 22 keys but no chests :(

BattalionJun 21, 20185 votes

The one trick curse

https://i.gyazo.com/5154e913ee6f4c958c8cb27e5f4b006a.mp4

Malicious MetalJun 21, 20185 votes

Laughs in 1.6 Million Mastery points

Relia FortuneJun 21, 20183 votes

One tricks matter too! Kind of... [sg-miss-fortune]

Risen29Jun 21, 20183 votes

That would defeat the whole point of the chest system which is meant to reward you for diversification, not specialization.

MyozthirirnJun 21, 20182 votes

Just play diferent champions or find one friend and trade chest with him. Why do you want chests anyway? you only play one champion and provably alredy own a skin for him/her.

NevrankroatonJun 21, 20182 votes

It is kinda your problem tho.

AR URFJun 21, 20181 votes

How about every season? since riot is known to make BIG and I mean BIG changes every season.

SomeStarsJun 21, 20182 votes

nah bro, its still preseason

Nanolathe11Jun 21, 20181 votes

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How about every season? since riot is known to make BIG and I mean BIG changes every season.

is this sarcasm...? they do reset chests every season...

AlmightyJun 21, 20181 votes

As much as i would love your idea, there is a good reason Riot might not ever take it into consideration.

Riot intentionally want you to earn one chest per champion every year in hopes that you play more champions instead of being a one-trick. Riot want you to play more champions, because they want to keep your interest in the game. And to hopefully discover a new main for you. Which they hope you will get addicted to playing. Once then, it's a matter of time before you decide to buy skins for your newfound favourite champion. Hextech Crafting is nothing but a system to get people to grind and become addicted. All wrapped up in a nice shiny cover that promises free prizes.

This marketing method is especially effective for new unguided players who do not have a clue how the addiction systems and marketing of League works. Chances are, when you are new, you'd most likely want to play more and more champions, hence the reason so many of them are locked behind such high Blue Essence prices. Not because they're top-tier level of difficulty (Darius), but because Riot wants you to grind, which leads to an inevitable addiction, which leads to you buying RP, which is what Riot wants.

All thanks to the brilliant marketing stategy of League of Legends.

http://www.auplod.com/u/dpoula9d885.png

Sex Crazed EveJun 21, 20186 votes

Fuck that. I've played this game for longer than I care to admit. I've played every champions and know which ones I like the most. Let me still earn things with them. Screw the shady business practices.

Oh, I'm a consumer. Of course I feel this way.

fuck

Nanolathe11Jun 21, 20181 votes

you make it sound like theres nothing left to work towards after you get a chest on a champ. the mastery levels should keep you busy after you have a chest. and i swear they made changes this season to how hard it is to get a S rank on a champ anyways. i dont even play most of my mastery champs anymore because if i play them and dont get an S its a waste of time really. at least lower mastery champs youre still building towards a mastery level and not only going for S ranks.

Sex Crazed EveJun 21, 20181 votes

I'm already Mastery 7 on my favorite champion. I've been that for a while. Let me earn something on this champion that I like to play. I don't like other champions enough to play them every game.

Nanolathe11Jun 25, 20181 votes

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I'm already Mastery 7 on my favorite champion. I've been that for a while. Let me earn something on this champion that I like to play. I don't like other champions enough to play them every game.

is mastery 7 as high as it goes? S+ are pretty tough to come by these days.

Sex Crazed EveJun 25, 20181 votes

It is!

TwitchInMyPantsJun 22, 20181 votes

Honestly that'd be a fine change, that's a fuckton of games on the same champ to actually have the potential to try for another S. Given chests are a grind anyway I think setting some number of mastery points to reset makes sense.

MikeJ122OJun 22, 20181 votes

I have 48 keys if someone wants to trade and give me chests, I need them.

Unstoppable MonkJun 22, 20181 votes

50,000? Casual.

Red WreckageJun 22, 20181 votes

they don't want to hand out more free unlocks via chests. nerfed OE gains should be a crystal clear indication of that.

your idea....just forget it :D

Mr DallowayJun 23, 20181 votes

Would be nice if RIOT was like Blizzard and champs had unlimited levels and we got a chest at every level. The chest we get for an S could be a special epic chest with a better chance for gems or something else good in it.

But they are far too cheap for that.

Nanolathe11Jun 28, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Dalloway,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k17L8e7G,comment-id=0015,timestamp=2018-06-23T01:40:12.456+0000)

Would be nice if RIOT was like Blizzard and champs had unlimited levels and we got a chest at every level. The chest we get for an S could be a special epic chest with a better chance for gems or something else good in it.

But they are far too cheap for that.

the level capsules are bruuuuuuutal! oh you just reached level 100? here have an anni champ shard and 90 blue essence for your troubles... smh