Can't wait to see what gets picked next game

Yep. E stun duration went from 1s -> 1.5s. This is an extremely synergistic change for his kit.

Aside from how strong +50% CC is, his E stun duration increases his E CDR procs as well as his passive bonus uptime. Now you can E twice in the main part of a fight, and your passive gives you much higher DPS and movespeed to reach the carry.

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1,5 stun instead of 1 and increase damage on his E base mana increase from 272 to 320 and a big Base health regeneration increased to 9 from 8.928 which is the biggest buff of all .

the projectile on the E is really slow and the movement speed buff isn't better than a gap closer the damage on his Q is quite small unless you have items build on him it's quite small compared to most. They probably playing him because he's safe, it's the reason i play him. I started playing him when the Warwick and shyvana crazed happened i was able to defend the jg on my own or at least hold out long enough for laners to come in. Worse came to worse i was able to escape running. You can also QSS out of his ult making it entirely useless and too dangerous for him to cross enemy lines to catch you.

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We're likely to need to nerf Skarner at some point in the future - but I certainly don't think we're talking about a gutting. We'd already been talking about keeping a fast followup changelist of his stun scaling from 1-1.5 on his E when we shipped his buffs on 8.1, or normalizing it to 1.25 seconds or something like that.

Ah Skarner is in the gutter for a year then gets buffs and needs to be nerfed AGAIN cant you guys see that stupid passive is ruining him it gives him so many free stats nerf it !

But not ? The one who's been the staple meta pick for far longer?

Hey. Could Skarner get a mini-rework again? He is very frustrating to jungle against because he is extremely difficult to duel or escape if he gets any lead whatsoever. It feels like he sometimes just ends up owning both sides of the jungle and there is little that can be done about it to contest the crystal spires 1vs1. Getting teammates to help the jungler can be impossible in solo-queue, and if Skarner's teammates join in too then teamfights often feel at a disadvantage even in your own team's jungle. It feels terrible to run into Skarner as a weak jungler, because you can't fight him, you can't run from him unless you have flash and he doesn't (or you're playing something that can pass through walls), and half of your jungle will be gone even if you manage to escape.

If counterjungling is supposed to be part of Skarner's strength, then that's fine, but please make it so that it feels like it can be strategically outmaneuvered rather than Skarner just running people down. I think Skarner should have his mobility and dueling power nerfed, and he should gain a new "ambush predator" mechanic as compensation. He should be able to burrow into the ground, gaining stealth while hiding, and then should gain a short duration but large movement speed and attack speed buff when he 'leaps' out of his hole. This would match the hunting style of real life arachnids, such as the trap door spider:

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This mechanic would replace his passive and/or his W. I think a good way to rework Skarner would be to make it so that his passive causes him to automatically burrow after standing still for a few seconds, similar to Teemo's passive. Where there are currently crystal spires, there could be buried sources of crystal energy which Skarner can burrow into in order to gain regeneration while stealthed. Skarner's W could be heavily nerfed but granted a special interaction with burrowing, where if Skarner casts W while burrowed, he leaps out in a target direction and deals damage where landing or passing through enemy units, gaining bonus shield based on damage dealt (increased ratio vs champions and epic monsters).

This would feel fairer in my opinion and would be a lot more interesting than just charging in and locking down an opponent. The Skarner player would feel like he/she outsmarted the opponent if they succeed. If Skarner's opponent predicts the ambush and avoids where the Skarner has burrowed, then the Skarner's time is wasted so it allows his opponents to strategically outplay the mechanic. Other than ambushing players, Skarner would use the ambush stat buffs to make clearing the jungle more effective. Skarner could also burrow somewhere near the dragon/baron pit and then leap out for a steal attempt.

Laying in ambush somewhere could be a risky action because it would allow the enemy to surround Skarner, but the W leap + shield could be used as an escape + survival option in that case rather than an engagement tool.

Just remember: Skarner is only interesting when he's strong, so please, please don't go overboard. A balanced Skarner is a bottom-5 playrate Skarner.

I mean making the stun scaling makes sense, I max E first anyways so that checks out. I'm just surprised by how strong he's become after just a couple buffs.

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We're likely to need to nerf Skarner at some point in the future - but I certainly don't think we're talking about a gutting. We'd already been talking about keeping a fast followup changelist of his stun scaling from 1-1.5 on his E when we shipped his buffs on 8.1, or normalizing it to 1.25 seconds or something like that.

lol he's an average jungler in solo queue. barely above 50 winrate with 4-5% pickrate. The new balance team couldn't balance their way out of a paper bag and caters so much to LCS it's pathetic.

Luckily though fortnite has been taking over league on twitch lately, better fix something fast.

I do think he is well scaling but doesn't need it and it is not an identity of his, so the ~1.25 sec seem to make more sense to me. Especially because he maxes the E anyways, which means a 1.1-1.5 sec stun would mostly nerf his lvl 2-6 only.

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We're likely to need to nerf Skarner at some point in the future - but I certainly don't think we're talking about a gutting. We'd already been talking about keeping a fast followup changelist of his stun scaling from 1-1.5 on his E when we shipped his buffs on 8.1, or normalizing it to 1.25 seconds or something like that.

I'd personally prefer if it was 1-1.5 rather than a normalized value. Skarner is a heavy farm jungler so he needs to have good scaling to be worth it

Speaking of gutting, what about Corki? He got hit incredibly hard while he wasn't even getting banned, wasn't getting picked a lot in competitive, wasn't even performing that amazingly (~52%) etc. There was a decent amount of feedback too.

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We're likely to need to nerf Skarner at some point in the future - but I certainly don't think we're talking about a gutting. We'd already been talking about keeping a fast followup changelist of his stun scaling from 1-1.5 on his E when we shipped his buffs on 8.1, or normalizing it to 1.25 seconds or something like that.

Pretty sure the only reason teams pick him is because its so easy to burst people down - his ult is just reliable pick for an easy instant kill

She was sitting around 52-54 until this patch. They didnt nerf her, just the new core items are bleh.