Janna is 54.59% winrate

Sex Crazed Eve·Apr 9, 2018·141 votes·20,176 views

with 17.98% pickrate

nerf shaco

148 Comments

AhristocatsApr 9, 2018165 votes

nerf shaco

agreed

NorthernRedStarApr 9, 201880 votes

The meta's just in her favor.

Just like it's all year around, kappa.

AmazoXApr 9, 201832 votes

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The meta's just in her favor.

Just like it's all year around, kappa.

Just like since forever

FTFY

koshkyraApr 9, 20184 votes

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The meta's just in her favor.

Just like it's all year around, kappa.

I mean adcs have been the strongest class for an entire year now so yeah

Giga KahunaApr 9, 20186 votes

( ( supports ) )

RexxieeApr 9, 201854 votes

Shaco is at 55% after the nerf in diamond + btw.

GildarztApr 10, 20182 votes

not true

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/es/champions/stats/jungle/diamond

Smitty ManjensenApr 9, 201830 votes

It's fine, she's a support, according to people supports should have 99% win rate with a 50% play rate.

YoungFarmerApr 9, 20185 votes

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It's fine, she's a support, according to people supports should have 99% win rate with a 50% play rate.

As someone who plays support I have never once said that. I hate support players, as someone who likes playing supports with actual skill shots, I hate seeing brain dead champs like Janna Soraka Lulu being top pick. Honest to god I constantly see Lulu players who act like bots and just follow their adc around every second of the game. I'm fairly certain every lulu player in plat is actually a gold player in disguise.

ThefrostyvikingApr 9, 20181 votes

But they have nerfed lulu´s poke time and time again which only makes poking more punishing.....as far as i know having watched the boards and not actually played lulu.

Raka actually needs to hit her Q to keep sustain up, at least during laning which is a small relief.

YoungFarmerApr 9, 20182 votes

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But they have nerfed lulu´s poke time and time again which only makes poking more punishing.....as far as i know having watched the boards and not actually played lulu.

Raka actually needs to hit her Q to keep sustain up, at least during laning which is a small relief.

Thats because lulus poke was gross. She would do more damage than a brand or zyra while also having massive shields and CC

ThefrostyvikingApr 9, 20181 votes

But didnt she get nerfed repeatedly.....as in "we are nerfing this to oblivion"?

You cant really blame people for playing like shield bots when someone has killed their firepower i think.

Ariel the CruelApr 10, 20182 votes

When Lulu top became a thing, Riot just locked her in the batting cage until finally giving up. They want her to duo lane. And repeatedly balance her kit in an attempt to enforce that.

ankoanko19Apr 9, 201822 votes

Gotta sell them skins man.

T4underboltApr 9, 201817 votes

Actually just because something is more broken than other broken thing it doesnt mean it doesnt need nerfs. Shaco is obnoxious piece of sht that needs nerfs asap.

ZackTheWaffleManApr 9, 201814 votes

Better nerf Irelia, I guess.

BisaknospApr 9, 201814 votes

shaco is 10 times worse to play against what the fuck?

ThefrostyvikingApr 9, 201810 votes

Lots of assassin mains are salty about their 1v2 outplays failing because janna uses E-R to save the marksmen x)

Would surely work better against that Taric or blitz instead.

TokogawarufApr 9, 20185 votes

Taric, blitz and every other Support needs to time or aim his Spells.

Janna just rams her face into the E+R Combo hovering the marksman just to spam that M7 afterwards

ThefrostyvikingApr 9, 20184 votes

Taric raises resistances and can heal any target of choice, he can also make his entire team invulnerable with some delay before it activates.

I have never seen any assassin kill any target taric was protecting if they didnt manage to end it in the first rotation.

Blitz just ults and knocks the target up, done deal.

Assassins really dont have a lot of options to deal with supports.

Rathar DashingApr 10, 20183 votes

I love how everyone ignores jannas Q mechanics when arguing about her.

OverpoweredSoapApr 9, 20184 votes

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shaco is 10 times worse to play against what the fuck?

I mean for squishies yeah but for tanks or juggernauts playing against Janna is a lot worse.

DuskDaUmbreonApr 9, 201811 votes

Yes, nerf Shaco.

Janna is annoying. Shaco is toxic in design.

Janna's OP? You have a very hard time killing one person.

Shaco's OP? You die from stealth with no way to fight back at all.

Guess which is worse?

And...70% bonus AD ratio+Backstab bonus damage (which also, I believe, has an AD ratio)+Duskblade+Normal auto damage is way too much at once.

The PlaneswalkerApr 9, 20181 votes

Backstab does not have an AD ratio. It has no scaling ever since riot changed it to be ap scaling but then hit all of his magic damage in another wave of nerfs. The OPs point was that Shaco was nerfed just for high winrate while Janna maintains a similar one. They both win the game more than they should, why does she get a free pass?

As for ratios, Kha'zix has more stealth uptime, a 130% AD ratio, and also builds duskblade but he gets a free pass to exist without damage nerfs and quality of life nerfs. A lot of the damage you see Shaco do also comes from Dark Harvest.

DuskDaUmbreonApr 10, 20183 votes

Hun, they literally just added a ratio to Shaco's Q, which was subsequently nerfed, because 70% was a "bit" too much. That's the nerf OP is talking about.

Also, I said why she's fine.

Also also, Kha isn't fine, either.

SpecterVonBarenApr 9, 20184 votes

Nah, its not the dying from stealth that irritates me the most about Shaco, it's if he gets far enough ahead that he can start to splitpush and then you can't do anything about him unless you send everyone on your team after him because he's such a slippery jackass.

hhaavviikkApr 9, 20188 votes

and then what? lulu will then become top pick because lulu and janna are pretty much the only good protectors in the game, what else do you have? thresh with hook + slow I guess? and then what? nothing, there's no other champion who can protect the ADC well

ZJD123Apr 9, 201850 votes

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and then what? lulu will then become top pick because lulu and janna are pretty much the only good protectors in the game, what else do you have? thresh with hook + slow I guess? and then what? nothing, there's no other champion who can protect the ADC well

MUH ADC MIGHT ACTUALLY DIE ONCE IF THEY POSITION POORLY.

YoungFarmerApr 9, 201812 votes

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MUH ADC MIGHT ACTUALLY DIE ONCE IF THEY POSITION POORLY.

Lol throw back to every season before season 6.

AmazoXApr 9, 20183 votes

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Lol throw back to every season before season 6.

Lol yeah, ADCS have dominated the Meta and still are ever since Season 6 TLD Meta got the nerf hammar.

hhaavviikkApr 9, 20182 votes

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MUH ADC MIGHT ACTUALLY DIE ONCE IF THEY POSITION POORLY.

ignoring the point, point is to win the game you need to protect the ADC and the only ones who can do that well are janna and lulu and to an extent thresh which is why they have a high win/pick rate

FefnilApr 9, 201812 votes

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to win the game you need to protect the ADC

And that's exactly what needs to be changed in this game.

RaveolutionApr 9, 20183 votes

Durrr.. Braum and Tahm are the most contested supports at the moment for LCS and guess what they both "protect" the adcs pretty damn well, or how about Morgana who has a spell shield and multiple long duration disables..? Do you even play League?

VvVVvVApr 9, 20188 votes

Nerf Shaco?

im starting to think this community is bipolar. I've been on this site for 5 minutes today and already I've seen 1 post saying Shaco needs buffed and now this one saying to nerf him.

And people wonder why Riot doesnt make the changes they want. Because the people dont even know wtf they want.

AmazoXApr 9, 20189 votes

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Nerf Shaco?

im starting to think this community is bipolar. I've been on this site for 5 minutes today and already I've seen 1 post saying Shaco needs buffed and now this one saying to nerf him.

And people wonder why Riot doesnt make the changes they want. Because the people dont even know wtf they want.

His being a wee bit sarcastic about nerfing Shaco.

SweedishGunnerApr 9, 201820 votes

Who would've thought different people have different opinions and the boards isn't just one conglomerate of a single opinion.

rtbf221651412Apr 9, 20188 votes

Janna has been over 53% since S1.

Better hotfix Irelia.

Azé MajoraApr 9, 20183 votes

Within hours of her release.

VelasanApr 9, 20187 votes

Can we just nerf both?

Step Sis LuxApr 9, 20187 votes

Yes nerf janna and lulu and let everyone oneshot everything, honestly i prefer playing against Shields than die instantly from flying rengar or invisible shaco

Snowman ArcApr 9, 20184 votes

That's because she can be easy to play even for an autofilled player. She has basic things she can do that are very rewarding, therefore the inexperienced players pick her up, thus the high play rate, and the easy way to play her is why her winrate is high.

TeCoolMageApr 10, 20184 votes

why not both dot gif

Acheron16Apr 10, 20184 votes

How to fix Janna:

Make it so she isn't able to achieve 550 move speed with her core items alone.

If she's slower, she can be more punished for her mistakes.

Done.

tobequitefrankApr 9, 20182 votes

lmao, look at aurelian sol's win rate its ridiculous as well, but yes nerf shaco..

InfernapeApr 9, 201811 votes

Sol's pick rate is incredibly low. It's literally only his mains that play him.

Automated RivenApr 9, 20182 votes

This shouldn't make a difference in him being balanced. Riven is balanced around her highest skilled players resulting any non mains have a low 40% winrate. The same should be held across the board. (this is also true of ryze and azir)