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8 seconds thats a long time to survive vayne attacking you
You survived 8 seconds and are complaining that an ANTI TANK MARKSMAN killed you?
My god boards these days.
Yi would kill you in less than half that.
First, Death Recap isn't that reliable of a system (I've had times where I've checked it and it said that someone that's not even in the game contributed to the kill via their 
or something) to use to gauge things like this with.
Next, Riot knows, and Riot doesn't care. I'll give them that Vayne IS by design a Tank-Melter ADC, but the fact that the Rageblade allows her to bypass the 3rd hit required for her Silver Bolts to proc, allowing her to do it faster, and melt you faster is ridiculous. And the supposed counter to true damage is to build health. But wait, what's that now? She does %HP TRUE DAMAGE, so even building the so-called counter to true damage doesn't work! Then Build Armor! But that doesn't work BECAUSE of her True damage!
So you literally CAN'T ITEMIZE against her.
I find that quote from Scarra is more and more true the more I think about Vayne: "Whenever vayne is meta, riot's balance team has to take note of that because vayne should never be a meta champion..."
How is Vayne balanced? That is the better question. %Max hp true damage is impossible to balance, let alone on a ranged champion with her level of self-peel. She gets out of hand just about every season, often because Riot gives her unneeded buffs.
Its almost like vayne is supposed to be good against tanks and bruisers!
Shes bad against mages, or anything higher range than her, play a mage if you want to shit on vayne (or an assassin that can 1 shot her before she autos more than once).
Agreed, A Vayne on the enemy team makes a frontline useless as soon as she has her first item if it's a rageblade, whenever I plan on playing a tank and I'm one of the first picks I have to ban Vayne because of this and if I'm one of the last picks and was planning on playing a tank but see a vayne on the enemy team I just choose something to build pretty much full damage with because you'll pop like a baloon as a tank anyway if the rageblade Vayne isn't completely terrible at positioning.
Having a Vayne counter tanks has been the case for long and I guess that's normal but currently it's on a whole other unhealthy level. As a tank support you can't even go for minions with the support item anymore cuz she'll chase you to death in a matter of 2-3 passive procs when she has the rageblade, which doesn't take long at all and no longer has the counterplay of not giving her to chance to get the 3rd shot off.
So yeah, I hope the balance team does something about this.
https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3013832759/209095222
- Vayne got that GA at 34:20 and sold the DShield at 37:24, so you had Warmogs, Frozen Fist, Infernal Mask, and Tabi. That means she was an item ahead.
- Vayne was 7/6 before this point, and in that fight she then got a triple. It was a teamfight, and others participated in killing you.
- You lived over 8 seconds. Is that bad? Seems decent. Note that you mitigated a huge portion of her physical autos with a large pool of EH, which played a big part in letting you live more than a couple seconds. That's what tank items are for.
- How long do you think a tank should live in the front line of a teamfight? 10 seconds? 15? 30? Forever? Preventing that is the whole point of Silver Bolts.
- Counterbuilding isn't the same as counterplaying. How do you counterbuild Trist's Q? How do you counterbuild Lucian's passive? Silver Bolts serves as Vayne's steroid, without which she probably wouldn't be a marksman. Your health and armor were effective against the AD and crit that Vayne bought, and partially effective against the AS she bought (which lets her deal more physical damage and get more W applications).
- You are not as squishy as your carries. Your carries hear Zed laugh, and then he pops up in their face just long enough to press QW, and then he's gone again. The carry dies either immediately or in a couple seconds when the ult pops. Of course, if Zed had to linger a while to kill e.g. MF, she would press Q and delete him, which is why his damage has to be so high: everyone's is. N.B.: the Zed in this match was having a tough time, and the MF wasn't going for a one-shot build, but they're basically balanced around doing so.
- Your team won.
TL;DR: Your tank stats allowed you to survive for a pretty long time, and your team won.
P.S.: Delete Phantom Hit.
Well simple. Its not balanced.
The problem isn't Rageblade.
Vayne would be destroy everything without rageblade (as she has done in the past whenever riot overbuffs her) her problem is she is a stat check champion and Riot has buffed her to the point where if she doesn't feed she wins.
Rageblade is BS on her but it isn't why she is OP.
Implying that any other ADC wouldn't have killed you in 8 seconds of free attacking at 5 items. She also still deals a ton of physical damage, which you can reduce. From this death recap it just looks like you have 4k health and no armor items whatsoever. The effect without icon above her auto attacks is Botrk damage which only further implies that you only had a ton of health.
(How do i play a tank vs this garbage?)
you are not supposed to tank an anti tank champion in the first place (i know rageblade vayne is op , but a tank will suffer from vayne no matter her build)
I mean shes almost full items in the picture. Plus she needs 6 hits to proc phantom hit. If youre playing Ornn you should simply cc lock her while an ally beats her up. If youre trying to solo her as an Ornn well thats your bad.
The thing is because of this now, it is up to the carries to kill Vayne before the frontline crashes. But how are we supposed to even SEE her to kill her at this point?
Wasn't even fed, 8/5 with 5 items.....[sg-lux-2]
Vayne is OP ONCE she completes her items. She's like Yi, she's nearly impossible to deal with in the late game. That is what a hyper carry is. When she's building crit with the same attack speed is when she is a problem, because she power spikes earlier and Vayne has one of the highest base attack speeds in the game. The win conditions vs on-hit Vayne are: don't let her reach late game. You messed up.
At this point you would have to get a pick on her. and end before she managed to respawn, or hope to god you got another pick on her when she did.
Is this the Ornn game where you had ~3k HP and none of the items a smart person buys against a Vayne? (Frozen Heart/Randuin's Omen/Thornmail)