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3 Zoe changes.

Crescent Dusk··2 votes·1,225 views

1-Cannot spellthief Ignite 2- W no longer gives her sprint 3- Early lv Q cooldown increased or mana cost increased.

This braindead champ gets free waveclear on top of unmatched poke and gets not only to steal flashes but gets a sprint for when people actually manage to dodge her sleepy bubble which is wide as hell and one of the fastest projectiles. The whole point is that you can protect from sleepy bubble by using minions but this champion can thin out minions so quickly from the get go at little cost and total safety and the fact is one sleepy bubble at lv1-3 is about half or more your health gone and if she gets to spellthief an ignite off a minion balloon it's kiss your ass goodbye.

Not only can she start spamming her waveclear from lv1, but once she gets lost chapter it's endless Q spam from Timbuktu, and once she gets Ludens she can clear most waves in 1-2 Q's and then go roam.

There is virtually no counterplay to this garbage other than "play Zed/Talon".

She either gets high damage or she gets mobility. She can't have both while also having a guaranteed CC peel when engaged in melee range.

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TitanAnteus3 votes

1 - She can spellthief gunblade you know. I do agree that ignite is too strong right now. That's just ignite's fault though. 2 - That's a bad idea. W/o the movement speed from that she's quite immobile, and that gets rid of one part of her skill expression. Using your movement speed to get longer range on your Q. 3- Her Q is her only damaging ability and it has had its mana costs increased. She'd be legit worthless w/o it. It's like asking for higher cooldowns on Lux E.

She does not get free waveclear. The splash damage was reduced and she can barely splash kill caster minions now. Her sleep trouble bubble has a cast animation. It's very much like Tresh Q and if you can't dodge tresh Q that's more on you. She cannot thin out minions super quickly. Her Q is her only damaging ability, it has weak splash damage and the cooldown was already increased a while back. If she manages to land E on you she should burst you. This is literally the prerogative of every mage in the game. Lux Q? You're gonna get bursted. Ahri E? You're gonna get bursted. Syndra E? You're gonna get bursted. Annie stun? You're gonna get bursted.

You don't understand the champion. You didn't macrogame well enough against her and should really pick her up the next time she's free and see if she's as stupidly OP as you think she is.

Lunnalia3 votes

Please, don't be stupid.

Yes, she is a good champion and is pretty strong. BUT. She has no mobility, any assassins or champions with mobility can kill her easily and her w is her only escape. So in this meta it can be hard for her if you aren't extra careful about your positionement. If you nerf one of the things you listed she won't even be viable anymore. And you can dodge her q you know.

Rather than complaining just learn how to play Talon/Zed/Fizz/Yasuo/Irelia (and the new akali soon, I think she will be a powerful counter) and except if you are against a really good otp she will have a hard time. Or ban her, but I think there are more important ban to do...

Btw riot nerf her almost every patchs so you should be happy and let them do their job ^^".

Bye <3

Zoe Zoe Zoe

Crescent Dusk1 votes

This is the dumb reply calling other people dumb. W isn't her only escape. If you can't land a sleepy bubble or use your 2nd flash from W you get all the freaking time, that's on you.

She doesn't need mobility because she can virtually spam her garbage all they way from Antartica so she never has to put herself in danger unless buying wards and putting them on your side of the jungle is too hard for you.

Talon/Zed/Fizz become irrelevant the moment you buy a Zhonya's hourglass anyways since assassins get blown up the moment they dive in and get chain CC'd by tank and support. How many assassins in the tournaments? Oh, right, none.

She's just as toxic if not worse than the new LeBlanc. She's a straight out better version of Ahri.

Psyrix1 votes

she rarely gets a flash from the bubbles, instead she generally relies on you dropping yours. And erm.... so having a single target, relatively slow moving cc is suddenly mobility? (it's about the same speed as lux's q). She's ALWAYS within 800 units of her q, the ult telegraphs EXACTLY where she will return. If she manages to hit you from over a wall that's more like skill expression considering you shouldn't stand in the same position...much less near a wall, if u don't know where zoe is/are near a wall she was on the other end of. stay closer to the middle of the lane if ur near walls and suspect she'll bubble you. When in lane use minions to ur advantage, stay parallel to them so they'll block the q, or just track where she threw the q. Most average Zoe's have a preference to where they sling the first cast, good Zoe's will be unpredictable/purposely lull you into thinking they'll stick to that, use that to ur advantage.

Assassins are meant to make picks. If ur playing them by diving in without care (tunnel visioning) then ur not playing assassins correctly. Assassins are not made suddenly ineffective by purchasing Zhonya's it's a 2 min cd, most assassins' ults have a cd of less than 90 secs. Additionally, ur discounting the fact that many of them can and will get a kill before lvl 5 if optimally played. Especially Talon.

Crescent Dusk1 votes

lol, her bubble is pretty much guaranteed at melee range. It's as easy a self peel as they come and if you're not landing a projectile that wide then you have no business telling me about skill expression as if people had the liberty to sit wherever they wanted in lane as if opponents didn't exist and getting funneled to the center of a lane would protect you during sieges when minions are getting cleared out in seconds.

Unless the mage is retarded and doesn't respect your all ins as an assassin, they shouldn't be dying. Most can farm just fine without interacting with the assassin (unless it's Zed, but that's an issue with Zed's retarded W range to begin with). Some mages like Lux and Anivia and Karma can completely hose down assassins in lane through their sheer range and pushing power.

Assassins don't make picks when a team is composed of a tank support, a tanky top laner, a tanky jungler, and the only 2 targets you can make a pick on are not only behind a torrent of CC but have immunities to begin with. It doesn't matter that Zhonyas is 2 minutes initially when a domination rune vastly reduces its cd, and the 2 minutes especially don't matter because winning a single teamfight already sets you so far ahead of the opposition.

Most mages run watch rune so they get a second use out of zhonyas immediately as they don't upgrade to Zhonyas until they've used the watch already. Doesn't take much more than looking at Faker's Talon vs Dopa's Twisted Fate and how the stopwatch made Faker totally irrelevant in teamfights as his ult would be wasted, he'd eat a stun from the mage and immediately die to his team.

Psyrix1 votes

The bubble isnt a guaranteed hit at melee levels due to the very long casting animation. Pay attention to the model. The only way the Casting animation of the E gets cancelled is by having the second cast of Q pressed JUST before the e, and at that point u shouldve already had enough warning to know something is incoming (From the q)....Even if it hit, that ruins the combo, leaving only an auto attack or someone else to attack cuz the cd of the q exceeds the cooktime for the Sleep..

Take TP and roam if ur unable to punish mages..... (which comes down to knowing how and when to trade, mages generally can't afk push these days except some special cases...in which case those are generally extremely immobile and should be easy to punish). Clear ur wave then immediately roam to impact the map... if ur so worried about ur tower being taken ask ur jg for assistance, but u should generally have enough time to roam and tp back to lane if stuff looks dicey.

Stopwatch rune is a single use only, and Zhonya's delays the powerspike. (aside from still being a 2 min cd, early to midgame that's easy to blow then abuse). If the team is that tanky then A) u need to learn to work around that, B) u need to think more whether or not u actually want to play an assassin during champ select, C) If u do indeed play an assassin, make use of their excellent early-mid game strengths, when the "tanks" aren't Tanky.

In regards to ingenious hunter, i wasn't aware that all that many people pick it. Ik domination has been slightly increasing in popularity, but generally most people still choose the sorcery tree with inspiration secondary.

And just how often is it you see a mage with the inspiration tree alongside the Domination tree? Usually it'll be sorcery second. if not first.

Crescent Dusk1 votes

Often. As Vladimir, electrocute dives are ridiculously strong. Electrocute alone gives you the easy win in trades if your opponent doesn't have electrocute, as electrocute+ ignite does over 60% of a target's health.

The only mages who don't take electrocute are mages who lack burst and prefer to poke with aery (low CC champ) or comet (control mage). Even then, Electrocute is so much better than comet, and ingenious hunter is amazing for items like Zhonyas and protobelt.

If I flash EQ>ignite+Electrocute someone by lv3 as Vladimir, they are usually dead. Ahri can probably do the same with a charm combo and a Lux who's confident of her ability to land binds is also ridiculously good. Same for Vel'koz.

Crescent Dusk1 votes

Already have her, and she's busted as fuck. But feel free to pretend like she isn't pick/ban material in pro play. There is no dodging her sleepy bubble as a melee champ since she can always time it to your gap closer where you can't change direction, be it Talon's Q or Ekko's E or Wukong's E. It doesn't really matter, it's piss easy to land her bubble at pointblank range.

I even killed a Malzahar with her at lv3 by getting lucky with an ignite balloon, my Q took off his spellshield and I was legit able to just kill him with W and empowered autos with the spellthief ignite without even landing a EQ combo on him.

Pika Fox1 votes

Shes extremely predictable. When she presses R you know ecactly where she is and will be. Free CC and kill.

Crescent Dusk1 votes

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Shes extremely predictable. When she presses R you know ecactly where she is and will be. Free CC and kill.

You think she's going to R ahead of her frontline? Bitch, please.

By the same token you can say Irelia is predictable because by the location of her ult and mark you know she's going to be a free CC and kill. This applies to any champ, except most champs can't port through walls and back out or send projectiles rivaling Ashe and Jhin through walls either.

Pika Fox2 votes

She really doesnt want to be near her team if at all possible. They like to break bubble. And she has to get relatively close with R to land Q, and if its a teamfight like you describe shes either separated from team to flank you to get to a squishy, or extended close enough that your frontline can react because her Q will do near 0 to a frontline.

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