Gutting Wukong's Q without fixing his laning.

Crescent Dusk·Aug 8, 2018·17 votes·6,518 views

Rework this champ already. You've virtually put him in the garbage tier when he's supposed to be some sort of fighter yet he has no sustain whatsoever and now he will be dumpstered in top lane harder than he already was.

It's cheesy when he WEQ's to assassinate but the clear problem were the items and not the champ considering his state before the changes to Duskblade and introduction of Stormrazor.

I can't even comprehend this. He's a mid-late game assassin with some of the worst laning of all assassins because he was originally intended as a fighter yet he can't serve as one due to being beat up by pretty much every meta melee top laner.

And you've just made it worse without changing around his kit to make it less unbearable in the laning phase.

13 Comments

I Support SolarAug 8, 20187 votes

100% agree. The reason Wukong was obnoxious was because attaching Duskblade to a short CD stealth n' dash was obnoxious, it had nothing to do with Wukong's base damages.

HayaishiAug 8, 20181 votes

He's gonna be reworked. But like everything that is cancer he has to stay in the gutter until then.

The problem might be lethality but Riot chose the nerf that doesn't impact the whole roster that uses lethality.

Crescent DuskAug 8, 20182 votes

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He's gonna be reworked. But like everything that is cancer he has to stay in the gutter until then.

The problem might be lethality but Riot chose the nerf that doesn't impact the whole roster that uses lethality.

With the exception of ADC's, lethality users are already a problem and lethality should have never been a thing except for ranged AD's. it is not the job of assassins to ignore armor, armor should be their counter.

Tanks should be dealt with by ADC's and mages (and specialized bruisers like Trundle/Darius/Garen/Illaoi), and no one else.

ValiantKillerAug 8, 20181 votes

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With the exception of ADC's, lethality users are already a problem and lethality should have never been a thing except for ranged AD's. it is not the job of assassins to ignore armor, armor should be their counter.

Tanks should be dealt with by ADC's and mages (and specialized bruisers like Trundle/Darius/Garen/Illaoi), and no one else.

You forgot my boy Urgot :c

Crescent DuskAug 8, 20181 votes

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You forgot my boy :c

Just pretend I included him as an ADC since botlane has even seen some Urgot use ;p.

Alex h8721Aug 8, 20181 votes

Lmao Tanks absolutely shit all over mages b/c AP champs have far less access to true damage and are more burst centric rather than dps and MR/HP shuts that down pretty well, only exceptions to this are DPS oriented mages Azir Ryze Cassiopeia

Kazoo SoloistAug 8, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Alex h8721,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rEz3qzH2,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2018-08-08T19:30:30.757+0000)

Lmao Tanks absolutely shit all over mages b/c AP champs have far less access to true damage and are more burst centric rather than dps and MR/HP shuts that down pretty well, only exceptions to this are DPS oriented mages

Which is... you know... kinda the idea.

It's the whole Tanks > Burst > DPS > Tanks > Burst > DPS > Tanks... where point of the support is to upset the dynamic or enforce it.

There are obvious notable exceptions but in general AP champions are tend to be more bursty and are more likely to have cc because they're balanced around having most of their damage and utility come from their abilities rather than auto attacks. I would argue that Mage doesn't exist as a role in League and that every champ listed as being a mage would be better served as being listed under Assassin, DPS, or Utility with some overlap.

Alex h8721Aug 8, 20181 votes

I agree w/ you, i was trying to counter crescent dusk's point that tanks should only be countered by mages/adcs and certain bruisers.

Also didnt mention that even with full lethality & last whisper item an assassin is not going to bring down a tank unless its a super long fight.

Crescent DuskAug 9, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Alex h8721,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rEz3qzH2,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2018-08-08T19:30:30.757+0000)

Lmao Tanks absolutely shit all over mages b/c AP champs have far less access to true damage and are more burst centric rather than dps and MR/HP shuts that down pretty well, only exceptions to this are DPS oriented mages

Malzahar with Liandry's eats through tanks. Swain eats through tanks. Zoe eats through tanks (but let's agree to ignore her because she's busted). Ahri eats through tanks (she has true damage as well). Stacked Veigar eats through tanks. Anivia doesn't suffer too much either. Brand eats through tanks.

So, you have options. Just because most mages are currently garbage doesn't mean they are by definitiion bad against tanks. They're bad against everybody.

ResolutionAug 8, 20181 votes

"Bandage fixes"; They could address the underlining issues - or just make him unplayable till they figure out what to do. Sadly, I think we got the lazy approach that only caused more problems.

What's the point of having over 100 champions, if every time an item set is updated (Assasin items) it breaks dozens of champions for the rest of the season... rather than stepping back and saying "Hmm, it's the items making them broken".

... oh and if they touch runes? Then he will need an update again because they didn't touch the underlining issue in the first place - "Bandages"

Blue Moon WolfAug 8, 20181 votes

know what's sad? he was apparently fine up till the duskblade nerf seeing as they never touched him before. suddenly that got nerfed, they felt he needed a buff and now they can't get him in "a good spot" anymore. I feel like if they just waited a bit instead of going right for the compensation buff they could have kept him preserved like a frozen mammoth in an arctic tundra. Now he's getting nerf after nerf because Riot doesn't revert buffs they already pushed out and soon even his runes and items will be nerfed as well, nerfing him harder. If there was ever a time to suddenly put him on the update schedule, THIS IS IT.

Sire HippingtonAug 9, 20181 votes

Agree, why hit his Q at all when the entier issue is Dusk+stormrazor+electrocute adding way to much damage onto basic combos. Makeing it so Stormrazor and Duskblade no longer stack paired with nerfing electrocute would go a long way for the ape