Akali is how assassins should function.

Crescent Dusk··9 votes·4,000 views

Compare Akali to Zed.

She needs to land her Q, walk out of a radius to empower her Q, and either walk up to the enemy by using her only defensive (shroud movement speed) or land a skill shot in her E which then has a run time to the target to close distance and trigger her Q. Otherwise the enemy can deny her large damage empowered Q by kiting it out.

In order to trigger electrocute, she must execute her Q>e>run in auto combo, all of which has far more delay than Zed's retarded WEQ.

Akali also has the clear weaknesses of Fizz and Katarina, she can't braindead shove wave in while also having trading power like Zed's shurikens or Talon's Rake.

If she lands her combo, she does a lot of damage, but her combo has clear staggers and landing the damage gives the opponent chance for retaliation since if she lands her E you can walk to tower and force her shroud if she wants to skirmish near tower, which forces her to go without her only form of defense and you can still walk away from the shroud and still be in turret range.

None of this ridiculous WEQ triggering electrocute crap even through minion waves. Her E is bodyblocked by minions so if she wants to trigger electrocute, she must isolate the champion to land her E.

Her ult has clear opportunity costs, it can be used offensively as an execute or as an escape, but not both unlike a Zed who just E+auto+ignite and shadows out after ult.

This is how assassins should function. If you need to give Zed and Talon lane sustain tools to make trading less absurd with them, do so. Implement a healing mechanism akin to Akali with clear opportunity costs. I don't see why Zed and Talon should be the sole outliers among all assassins (perhaps Ekko fits in here too, but he's definitely weaker) where Katarina and Fizz have to wait for their lv6 power spikes to start dominating lane where a Zed and Talon can do so much earlier.

17 Comments

saltran6 votes

I will save this thread to when ppl learn how to play Akali so she will be a nightmare.

5050BS5 votes

Reworked Akali is so massively OP. Her Kit allows skilled player to win 99% of fights vs Equally skilled players.

Classic CertainlyT

Kai Guy6 votes

I still prefer this to old akali kit which allowed unskilled players to witn 100% of fights vs more skilled players so long as she had the power spike to do it. Click R, Click Q, click E or R, click the one you did not use last click, click R again, At any point it looks bad click W.

Screwed up? use passive to heal, try again in a few moments. Aim? Aim is for suckers. Point and click on an entire kit. Old akali would miss E occasionally pre level 6?

OMG W TOWER DIVE OP... yea she takes turret shots still.... And if new akali Can kill you and take 2-3 hits, Old akali could definitely fucking kill ya and take 2-3 hits, at less risk cuz she couldent wiff abilitys, had better sustain, and R reset gave her an easy out or her W did.

My money is that new akali is gonna get some buffs cuz baddies gonna bad, then in the next 2-3 weeks shes gonna break the game, likely with bruiser esq builds.

gonna be cuz of her #s

The reworks healthier then her old kit, I don't really see how any one can argue that. Old kit, # good? its strong she wins, its weak shes trash. Shes ahead your screwed, with no counter play.

HentaiSimulator1 votes

Literally got 3 shot by an akali that missed hella abilites on top of that she got to press w and all i could do was run :)

Kai Guy2 votes

I am going to have to ask you what was her build and WTF did she hit you with and what was your hp at the start. getting 3 shot if your at say 400 HP is not really frightening.

Vesemir2 votes

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Literally got 3 shot by an akali that missed hella abilites on top of that she got to press w and all i could do was run :)

Akali does literal 0 damage without her abilities hitting you. No abilities hit = no circle = no damage.

Handin Out Naps3 votes

Or you can just r q e e auto r q. Pretty low counterplay because you are stunned and cant dodge her e. She can also r flash to guarantee stun.

Crescent Dusk4 votes

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Or you can just r q e e auto r q. Pretty low counterplay because you are stunned and cant dodge her e. She can also r flash to guarantee stun.

You realize that dash has less the range of most mages, right? If the mage was in range of that stun they mispositioned pretty badly and deserve to die.

That's like complaining about being ERQ'd by Vladimir and complaining about no counterplay when the obvious counterplay is range and positioning.

Hovering Hentai2 votes

Great thing about Akali is that her dashes are more telegraphed now so they're easier to interrupt.

Vesemir2 votes

I still can't believe CertainlyT didn't release a toxic champion like Zoe.

Sire Hippington1 votes

After trying her today, i disagree. In the early game you might need such shenanigans, but once you got some damage you just ult into someones face, AA+Q+E on the ministunned target, E back in for the passive and if you don't have a kill already you can finish with another Q+R. It doesn't feel like to much counterplay for squishys.

She could be a awsome design, but right now she can burst to hard, while dieing to fast...as everything in this game.

Crescent Dusk1 votes

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After trying her today, i disagree. In the early game you might need such shenanigans, but once you got some damage you just ult into someones face, AA+Q+E on the ministunned target, E back in for the passive and if you don't have a kill already you can finish with another Q+R. It doesn't feel like to much counterplay for squishys.

She could be a awsome design, but right now she can burst to hard, while dieing to fast...as everything in this game.

If you were able to R onto a squishy it's because they allowed you to get in range. It's a 600 dash and most mage ranges outrange that by at least 50 units. And by late game you should be grouped anyways so if she lands an E all the group needs to do is stand right beside the squishy and set up a CC when Akali comes running in and blow her up.

Sire Hippington1 votes

you have you're W for getting into range, it either zones all squishys from the fight or allows you to get cose enough. Also, it's often enough to just get into Q+E range with the first ult dash, it's not adding much to you're burst. Also, there is flash...

AS for teamfights, haveing a cc bot standing right next to the target works vs all assasins, that's the basics on how to make them usless in a teamfight and the main reason why high elo assasins are usually always splitpushing or waiting ion the flanl till the bosyguard is bussy with other things like peeling vs a bruiser. If you're in a teamfight and everyone can aford to just watch for you and you're E, then either you're teamcomp is bad or you're mates do something wrong.

Crescent Dusk1 votes

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you have you're W for getting into range, it either zones all squishys from the fight or allows you to get cose enough. Also, it's often enough to just get into Q+E range with the first ult dash, it's not adding much to you're burst. Also, there is flash...

AS for teamfights, haveing a cc bot standing right next to the target works vs all assasins, that's the basics on how to make them usless in a teamfight and the main reason why high elo assasins are usually always splitpushing or waiting ion the flanl till the bosyguard is bussy with other things like peeling vs a bruiser. If you're in a teamfight and everyone can aford to just watch for you and you're E, then either you're teamcomp is bad or you're mates do something wrong.

W is your main form of defense. If the enemy mage/ADC doesn't stay away from it and makes you come out of it, you're kinda screwed in a teamfight with no disengage. Not to mention that it's a clear indicator of wwhere to bomb all the aoe into once you go into shroud. All I have to do as Garen is get into the center of shroud and spin to win and the Akali either tanks it all and loses 60%+ HP or has to retreat.

I know it's very easy to kill mages who disrespect your range as an assassin, I personally love them on my Talon. But actually competent mages will never allow you to gain range of them with a proper working frontline.

You can try to splitpush, but good luck split pushing as an assassin against an AP trynda, geared out Jax or Fiora, Camille, Garen, Irelia or 3 item Yasuo or even something like a Renekton.

Don't really need to peel a bruiser since if the ADC's and supports are worth their salt that bruiser short of being a Poppy/Malphite/Sion/Mundo will melt with the current state of true damage and slows. It's always been a race of whose mid/botlane melts the enemy frontline first.

You can wait for a flank, but, again, all it takes is one Lulu polymorph/Rakan Charm, Zilean ult, Alistair to ruin your day as an assassin. There's a reason why assassins are not seen that much in organized play.

Akali has a better design for assassins because even if she can't dive and 1 shot the ADC she's got the tools to weave in and out of battle and do damage to several targets or zone the enemy mages/ADC. She can waste resources if focused by the enemy team by baiting crap out with shroud to let the rest of her teammates do work.

She overcomes the assassin's binary nature of kamikaze or be killed (except Zed, because he's plain broken and virtually functions like an AD mage with the perks of an assassin on top). She gets some sustain, enough mobility/disengage, and short cd on engages so she isn't like Talon where you Q in and hope something dies after because you ain't getting out alive.

I know I've rambled, but I just want to reiterate that Akali doesn't feel really oppressive in lane compared to the likes of Zed but she's also not unbearably weak in lane like Katarina or Fizz.

I think she's a rather successful rework and far different from the likes of Zoe since Akali actually needs to land crap and doesn't get a ton of safeguards against failure like Zoe does.

OnlyVelKozOnly1 votes

Yep, knew you were an assassin player/apologist pussy that has no skill so they have to use and defend all these no skill broken counterplayless retard champs.

OnlyVelKozOnly1 votes

Oh nice, so mages shouldn't get to ever auto attack because they'd be walking into Akali's insta-kill counterplayless combo! Fuck that dude you assassin players are assholes.

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

I got Zed in ARAM, first time playing him. But IMO it isn't the champ, it's the items. To prove a point, I built Professor Akali's nuclear build item 3147 item 3087 and added my own flavour to it with item 3095 item 3078. With ONLY the first 2 items, I already 100-0'd the enemy Varus with R+E+AA (unstacked dark harvest btw, imagine electrocute proc).

With the 4 items, it was only 1 AA to nearly 1 shot him. That should never be the case, since when did AD casters kill people with a single auto, without using skills? Thing is, it's not so much the AD scaling into the skills, it's the bullshit on the items stacking on each other. It's understandable if a champ scaling with AD, bought AD and killed someone with his scaling skills. I could even put this build on Malphite and kill someone with R+AA, or any champ pretty much because the entire power lies in the item passives rather than the actual stats themselves.

TL:DR - Gut all the item passives or remove them altogether, make champs actually need to scale off the stats they buy and buff them accordingly. The problem of Zed not needing to land skills is because all the damage are in the items rather than his kit, which is stupid.

Edit: On a side note, Shaco is facing the exact same problem. His entire kit is shit that he actually is pigeonholed into relying on these passives for damage rather than scaling off stats himself.

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