Can the MVP have more LP gain then usually and the "ACE" (best from team who lost) loose some less mmr ? Rankeds would be more fair then for certain number of champions, that can't carry without team. 
Frikgeek5 votesNo. You don't win games by getting kills. You don't win games by having good cs. You win games by destroying the enemy nexus, everything else just helps you do that.
Ranked should measure your ability to win games and nothing else. You really don't want players AFK farming while the enemy team ends to "preserve their KD" and get that "ACE" bonus.
Dakeudharma1 votesI don't know how exactly op.gg determine game-play, but it is definitely not only about most kills and most cs. The game I review now has a player who had best KDA, best cs in game and ended up fourth. Meanwhile the "ace" player had 7.3 cs per minute and better damage then winning team and he clearly did not deserve to lost same lp as other guys.
Frikgeek2 votesAll of this shit doesn't matter across 100 games. If you're good at winning you'll have a >50% winrate and gain Elo and ranks. If you're not you won't.
Giving people ""compensation"" for losing would throw the entire system out of whack in a larger sample size, you could get people climbing with sub 50% winrates which is actually retarded.
Dakeudharma1 votes? You can play 100 games of inting sion. How it will not affect. Let's say somebody is hardstuck Gold V. He explore the Sion tactics. He play him for 100 games. Now he is at platinum 2 let's say and now he will destroy 100 games so he again return to gold V.
Frikgeek1 votesThat makes about as much sense as saying that people who abuse OP meta champs should get less LP because they will "destroy games" once they get nerfed.
If you play inting Sion for 100 games and win 65 of them you deserve to climb. What's the problem here?
Dakeudharma1 votesIt's true what you said. Some champions despite your performance win games way easier due to meta, and then we have good players in low elo and bad players in high elo. So yeah I would agree also on that.
Err 5032 votesIt does matter. You dont have a plus 50% if you are "good". You have a >50% winrate if you are FAR better (I mean 1 or 2 FULL divisions better) than your enemy. Because current matchmaking forces you to hardcarry your team very often. If you can't do that, (which u usually shouldnt be able to do unless you are FAR better than your enemy who is often 1 or 2 full divisions higher than YOU) you won't climb. Quite that simple.
ShadWooo2 votesthat would be great indeed
KirbyCake2 votesIt would not be anymore fair than it is right now. The last thing you want is an artificial system trying to determine factors that affect win rate when only measuring win rate is the most accurate way to measure somebodys skill level.
It would be as absurd as rating chess players based on how often they are material up in a position, or go players how far ahead they are in territory while the game is in progress.
Dakeudharma1 votesAnd you think guy who play for example inting sion toplane belong to a higher elo he get ? Once riot nerf that strategy people will get him in games and he will destroy the game experience for them, since his skill has not grown up, only his mmr.
Bad comparison chess is 1v1. And if we talk about chess you can challenge whatever you want so your mmr can quickly rise up to actual level.
And it's not fair. Winning in bronze on jungle meta picks is easier then winning with utility based champions. And if you ask what is bad on that, then bad is the thing, that you may be challenger tahm-kench player but you are hardstuck Bronze I since you play a champion that is hard to carry low level games.
KirbyCake1 votes[{quoted}](name=God of Dark Love,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jm2lqEJO,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-10-30T15:51:32.246+0000)
And you think guy who play for example inting sion toplane belong to a higher elo he get ? Once riot nerf that strategy people will get him in games and he will destroy the game experience for them, since his skill has not grown up, only his mmr.
Bad comparison chess is 1v1. And if we talk about chess you can challenge whatever you want so your mmr can quickly rise up to actual level.
And it's not fair. Winning in bronze on jungle meta picks is easier then winning with utility based champions. And if you ask what is bad on that, then bad is the thing, that you may be challenger tahm-kench player but you are hardstuck Bronze I since you play a champion that is hard to carry low level games.
If he is winning games by playing inting sion then yes his mmr will have to increase until his win rate is around 50%. Ok if they destroy the strategy and he starts losing games then his mmr will drop. Metas change all the time and mmr will change to reflect that. What is clear is that your perception of skill has nothing to do with win rates.
It is true that solo queue heavily favors carry champions over utility, which is why we have organized play and flex queue so if you believe you're challenger level on utility champions you can apply for a pro team or make a flex team and climb rather than complain here.
And even in solo queue a challenger tahm kench player can still win the vast majority of his games in bronze playing tamh kench, but you're just another delusional person held down by the system.
Dakeudharma1 votesYeah I want to see challenger kench getting out of bronze with kench (solo ofc without duo). Why do you think that jungler, adc and mid and top players have multiple accounts in challenger even hitting first place with multiple accounts. But support pro players don't ? Because it would take AGES for them to come to elo from where they can carry. And yes you can run for example ap sona to challenger, but still one champion is not enough for whole role.
KirbyCake1 votes[{quoted}](name=God of Dark Love,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jm2lqEJO,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T16:31:54.362+0000)
Yeah I want to see challenger kench getting out of bronze with kench (solo ofc without duo). Why do you think that jungler, adc and mid and top players have multiple accounts in challenger even hitting first place with multiple accounts. But support pro players don't ? Because it would take AGES for them to come to elo from where they can carry. And yes you can run for example ap sona to challenger, but still one champion is not enough for whole role.
How about this, I bet you $10000 I can get out of bronze with kench solo, and I have not even played the champion once and I'm not even challenger. And if you want to make it serious I can get a lawyer to make the contract.
Dakeudharma1 votesYou would won that bet because.
But if you really want a bet we can agree on:
Err 5031 votesWell then prove it lol. Everyones talking I could do this and that. And yet the simple fact is you have been lucky enough with matchmaking, combined with the fact that you perform consistently, play the right roles and dont cause losses yourself often.
It has nothing to do with what fucking division you belong to realistically. Mostly this game is about attitude, luck and much playtime. Not skill.
Oh and obviously what role you play. Hardcarry roles and champs are by far the most favored. I am support "main" somewhat. And I have no clue with conventional champs how to solo carry a game even if I theoretically should be able to skill wise. I couldnt even win vs 5 intermediate bots solo with something like thresh, Blitzcrank, Rakan or Fiddlesticks.
Oleandervine1 votesRanked is getting overhauled next season. Let's see what they implement before trying to suggest fixes for what's already in place.
Dakeudharma1 votesWell I think it's exactly time when we should suggest it, since there is huge chance that rankeds will stay same forever, after next season rework. And while it deals with the problems of "hardstuck" players and people who fills in the game. But you simply can't carry as kench in bronze for example if enemy team has some smurf on talyiah let's say.
IcyShadow111 voteswhat is happening to ranked next season???