ADC Kog'maw is essentially unviable because of the changes Riot's made. Are there any plans to... you know... actually make it so he doesn't have the lowest ADC winrate and the second lowest overall winrate behind Ivern?
1 800 Top Lane2 votesThat usually happens when Riot.. whats the word... oh yeah, guts a champion.
Best Kog NA1 votesThere's no changes for Kog'Maw on the PBE yet. He's been this way since 6.19
Marshbouy2 votesWoohoo let's not wait at all for any changes to the game and start complaining about a champion being low winrate mere weeks after their changes. Great idea.
Best Kog NA3 votesIt's been 2 months
Marshbouy2 votesRoughly 41 days is not two months. It's not even a month and a half.
I'd also like to point out that riot is currently working on the fucking preseason and is probably busy with that.
Plus it's better to settle a champions problems after massive changes to the game.
Calabok2 votesPeople's perception is their own. lets keep yours to yourself
Best Kog NA3 voteshttp://champion.gg/champion/KogMaw/ADC Perception =/= data
hunterspec1 votesis that a bad thing?
Best Kog NA2 votesGonna have to say yes to that one.
hunterspec2 votes[{quoted}](name=Best Kog NA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jhWszUZ4,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-11-07T23:55:05.141+0000)
Gonna have to say yes to that one.
oh I see that is why you got so many upvotes, my bad
SwiftKitten881 votesyeah it sucks when it happens to the champ YOU play doesn't it...
i don't play 
but she was fun to watch, i miss her being viable, (although less so when 8i am support and my ADC ults me at really bad times)
is quite boring to watch.. but she USED to be quite fun to play when she didn't suck so much
idk.. he just flat out needs a rework... you cant buff him without completely breaking him again.
and now we have 
who has been nearly trash(45% win rate) for gold and below since riot gave her scaling resets on pounce. but still managed to stay so OP at higher elos riot now has gutted her for EVERY elo...
and the removal of strength of ages is going to be a HUGE hit to her.. as the difference between SOA nid winrate and thunderlords is 6% by itself...
so unless something is addressed in 6.23... nid wont be able to do a full clear without backing or getting executed. which is unheard of in the jungle meta.. let alone early game champs that pretty much require a snowball to be relevant...
i havent tried her on pbe as i don't have access,, but i can say for certain... as nidalee with over 1000 games on her as what i would estimate a gold 3 or 4 level at her.. a full clear with thunderlords is not possible in 6.21. i have tried it... i got an gromp leash where the support took EVERY hit and i took ZERO damage form gromp... and i still barely killed red buff without getting executed... there was no WAY i was going to try krugs.. even running to try to heal off scuttle would have been suicide unless i had vision of the enemy jungle elsewhere.
maybe the jungle camp changes will make it possible idk.. a full clear with thunderlords WAS doable in 6.20 (i think... i didn't really every run it because it's horrible compared to strength of ages) but it certainly isn't viable in 6.21 and 6.22 looks to be worse. (granted i dont think the jungle changes would hurt nid that much if she could keep SOA... its losing THAT is what i think is going to kill her NOT the jungle changes)
khorney1 votesdaily reminder look at how many of these peopel who play kog rush wits end...... 44% there is a coincedence.
NodirjonSattarov1 votesno one rushes Wits end. where are you getting this data
khorney1 votesevery single kog i have played with and or played agasint has rushed wits end and there logic was it adds more damage to him then getting ap or ad......... cool 42 damage on hi
NodirjonSattarov2 votesmaybe before patch 6.19 Kog'Maw rushed Wits end, but he doesn't anymore. Anyone who does build Wits end clearly doesn't play Kog'Maw as often as people who know what they're doing.
khorney1 votesi would never build wits end ...... unless they have a strong ap champ i would rather build the build i use, more damage out put
NodirjonSattarov1 votesI want you to do me a favor. Play a game of Kog'Maw with your supposed on-hit build, and send me the match history. Otherwise I won't listen to anything you have to say.
khorney1 votesyou do me a favor you play a game with my runes mastery and item build and play it on kog and get back to me and then tell me its weak. its logic there guy hi sw is onhit meaning it stacks with every other item in my build and i get it it a active move but who cares w
LaughingStapler1 votesIt is sad but at least AP Kog is viable now. ADC Kog still has decent winrates for experienced players though.
Best Kog NA1 votesStill doesn't replace ADC Kog'Maw though. You can't just take a marksman and make him a mage. If you do at least rework his w
LaughingStapler1 votes[{quoted}](name=Best Kog NA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jhWszUZ4,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-11-08T00:43:18.967+0000)
Still doesn't replace ADC Kog'Maw though. You can't just take a marksman and make him a mage. If you do at least rework his w
He was always both. My only point is that at least half his identity is viable even if weaker than pre rework.
Wind Whistler1 votesIt is sad but at least AP Kog is viable now. ADC Kog still has decent winrates for experienced players though.
AP Kog'Maw may be viable, but he's still in a weaker state than he used to be.
The Yetii Rider1 votesShort answer is "no".
We have an assassin meta coming. Immobile carries are going to be what's known as 'food' regardless of their individual power.
Kog is about to be as far out of meta as Sion can throw him. So now isn't really the time to be asking for buffs.
