Please Change Malzahar

WitchQueen Annie··9 votes·626 views

He's too annoying to lane against Mid.

Its just continuous spell spams that you can't out-trade. His shield makes it so that most of the time it takes too much effort to trade back if he keeps good distance.

"Well he'll push so just tell JG to show up"... well I shouldn't have to rely on the Jungler to be able to lane. Also, just because my Jungler could show up doesn't mean his couldn't. And very few mages even have the advantage on him 1 vs 1 so 2 vs 2 is still up in the air and probably in his favour.

He can out-push anyone and then past level 6 he will somehow 100-0 you with very little counterplay. The only counterplay is if you backed earlier than him to rush some MR to gimp your own damage... and then he'll push and go roam and get free kills with his point and click Ult and snowball anyways.

If you stay, he's guaranteed (if in good hands) to 100-0 Ult you to death either because the JG came for a free Gank for him or he somehow just 100-0s you. Either that or you backed and he stayed/roamed and then gets 1-2 levels up on you. And for the rest of the game you won't be able to 1 vs 1 him until you catch up.

Please nerf this champion. He's way too un fun to play against.

10 Comments

Fullmetallic2 votes

Malzahar is designed to pretty much not be able to 1v1. he has no mobility whatsoever and he requires a decent amount of time to get a max powered ult off (q and w and e empowered), and lategame most of his damage comes from his voidlings which are instakilled by most AOE abilities. i think hes fine the way he is personally TL;DR 2v1 him and he becomes worthless

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

The problem is now the core malzahar buildpath is to make a lost chapter, rush sorcboots to overrun the enemy laner to get a free ult. Then rushing crystal sceptre without completing morellos so you can ult again if they even get a scratch from your spells.

This pretty much tips the whole 10 mins to malz's favor since interaction is literally impossible, because of Malz's pushing power makes him able to put wards in more effective locations that the enemy laner, and of course because he has a barrier.

Fullmetallic1 votes

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The problem is now the core malzahar buildpath is to make a lost chapter, rush sorcboots to overrun the enemy laner to get a free ult. Then rushing crystal sceptre without completing morellos so you can ult again if they even get a scratch from your spells.

This pretty much tips the whole 10 mins to malz's favor since interaction is literally impossible, because of Malz's pushing power makes him able to put wards in more effective locations that the enemy laner, and of course because he has a barrier.

I meant, hes designd not to be able to be killed in a 1v1. (past lv6)

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

I main Malzahar so I know that. The thing we are saying here is that options are limited to prevent what he is going to do. They seriously need to get rid of that barrier.

Śhunpo2 votes

They reworked him and he still kept his lack of proper counterplay outside of QSS and out man'ing him. He's fundamentally boring to play against because of this.

TheFallenShaw1 votes

no counter play.... item 3140 js on and it builds into an assians weapon. Mal is easy to beat in and out of lane. pretty useless in a team fight as well. If anything he needs buffed. His spells are so slow if you get hit, its because your bad. His one true chance to kill someone is Ult and a single item counters that

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

I was thinking more in terms of mages fighting him.

A mage can't build QSS.

Mysticman891 votes

They can, and in high elos/pro play do.

It certainly feels bad to 'waste' a slot on something that won't give you AP, but basically shutting down the opposing mid laners kill threat is pretty valuable.

Degmond1 votes

I'd be ok with him literally 1v5'ing level 1...if it required him to do anything else than pressing some point and click.

I mean E R for a kill? pitiful balancing state.

Paroe1 votes

@thread

  1. Malzahar is immobile.
  2. His voidlings have, at level 18, 201 health.
  3. Any meaningful magic resist really screws him over
  4. You need to stop thinking you can faceroll him and start respecting him.
  5. Malzahars entire niche is snowball denial. Seriously malzahar is an immobile mage who only has flash for engaging/escaping. Most of his damage comes from his Q resets and his voidlings, of which any player who respects him wont be letting him do.

TL;DR: You people need to stop bitching and start respecting. Malzahar is designed to deny snowballs and punish people who dont respect him. Unlike Orianna Malzahar doesnt have a huge amount of range and instant burst, his MS is fairly low, his base stats are fairly low, and without AP he does next to no damage past the early game.

All of you people who complain about his ult need to realize that its a suppress; a self CC. Unlike other champions malzahar RISKS himself getting blown up if he ults, and if he uses his ult properly as an execute... well thats your fault for not respecting him. Not even faker respected him. Most snowballers DONT respect him because in their minds hes still what he was pre-ult semi revert; a glorified support.

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