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Worlds 2018: Missions, RP, and Tokens; The Math - Revisited

True Garen··6 votes·2,753 views

Hey... help me out here... I'm trying to wrap my head around something that I just realized about the World Pass and event tokens... When you cash these tokens in, they give 1 BE / Token. Now, each Orb is 300 Tokens... So with the pass there was 4 Orbs + 200 Tokens + Icon for the 1650 RP works out to something on the order of almost 1650 intrinsic value to the pass... In other words 1:1 RP for BE. Which is really bad.

From what I can judge, approximating champion equivalencies of RP for BE, BE is on the order of 1/10 of RP. Even if you use the pass to get an extra 1200 tokens, which is pretty good, that's still about 1:2 RP:BE I can't believe that I basically paid between .5 and 1 cents for BE.

(The previous missions, all year long, cashed out 5 or 10 BE / token. And the Orbs were 50 or 60 tokens. These tokens have a value about 1/5 of what they had in event missions all year until now.)

(I really wanted that Shyvana Chroma, and this was the only way to get it, but the rewards for the pass, the BE generated from the tokens seems really low. Considering that this was the one event that you could pay for, I would have expected the opposite. Or at least the same. Instead, we get less. According to how Riot is scaling this, I mean.)

These don't sound like big rewards anymore. I get 50BE for FWoTD, and with the pass, I get 15 more. With an extra 1-10 BE / game, I know... but ...

9 Comments

True Garen7 votes

I think some people have managed to get a total of 4000 tokens with the pass, or an additional 3600. Even then, considering that 1 Token = 1 BE, and the pass was 1650 RP.... means 1650 RP for 4 Orbs (1200 BE) + 3600 = 4800 BE. That's about 1/3 RP = 1 BE. I don't think that anybody would pay 1650 RP for 4800 BE outright. And here we actually had to grind to get that much value...

True Garen7 votes

You're missing the point. If I bought a ticket, and I ground for 1200 tokens, and now I want 12k blue essence for that because BE Emporium is coming up.... then it's measly of Riot not to allow that. (And actually, maybe bad business. A lot of people were saving up for BE Emporium, and maybe they would have bought passes if it could have been used this way.)

Your champ shard idea is a good one. - (It disenchants for 960 BE? Are you sure?) - If so, then I really must wonder why Riot undervalued the tokens for this event by so much.

Even with your champ shard idea, I still end up with an average of 50 tokens, that I only get 50 BE for. (50 tokens would have earned me a whole 'nother Orb in the last event.)

Deez Crits2 votes

I don't think the intention is to make the World's pass an efficient way to farm blue essence. The blue essence conversion is there as a consolation prize for leftover tokens.

However, with that being said, perhaps a more reasonable point to make is that you should get more blue essence per token so that the exchange feels more meaningful. But if your whole argument is that the pass wasn't worth it simply because the blue essence you would've obtained was practically nothing, I don't think you were the intended consumer for the pass.

True Garen7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deez Crits,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jQ7WE7GB,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-19T22:46:43.017+0000)

I don't think the intention is to make the World's pass an efficient way to farm blue essence. The blue essence conversion is there as a consolation prize for leftover tokens.

However, with that being said, perhaps a more reasonable point to make is that you should get more blue essence per token so that the exchange feels more meaningful. But if your whole argument is that the pass wasn't worth it simply because the blue essence you would've obtained was practically nothing, I don't think you were the intended consumer for the pass.

It's not just about BE, of course. But that's how everything else that you can get with the tokens is equivalated.

I guess that you're right... a plain chroma is actually worth 2000 BE in the Blue Essence emporium. Here, I'm getting a fancy chroma for 400 tokens. In that sense... the tokens are properly valued.

Similarly, If one used the pass diligently, then one might wind up with enough tokens to complete 11 Orbs, including the 4 that the pass came with (1700 additional tokens) - and, indeed, to put this in perspective, 11 Orbs + 200 Tokens are available in the shop for 2500 RP. Most that I know with the pass are ending up with a total of 1000 - 1200 tokens... meaning they gleaned a total of 6 or 7 Orbs (including the ones that came with the pass)... still showing some enrichment from the pass.

It was a shock to find that Riot valued the tokens at 1 BE, as opposed to what tokens have been worth in the past. Perhaps this was done specifically to discourage using the pass for BE farming, especially with the BE Emporium coming up. Although, I don't see why that should have been an issue... (I mean, we paid for the pass after all...)

I feel a little better now... but still discouraged about the low BE value for tokens. In other events, Orbs were 50 or 60 tokens, so not many tokens were left over to cash in for BE. With these Orbs going for 300 tokens... I will likely have many odd tokens to cash. The value system seems forced, compared to what we saw in previous events.

BlinkZZ1821 votes

Do not consider 1 token = 1 BE, unless you plan to convert all tokens into BE through a ratio of 1:1

True Garen7 votes

[{quoted}](name=UVM ZhaoRiTian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jQ7WE7GB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-19T22:50:56.828+0000)

Do not consider 1 token = 1 BE, unless you plan to convert all tokens into BE through a ratio of 1:1

But that was the point... everything else that you get with the tokens has been adjusted. The Tokens are 1 BE, not 5 or 10, and the Orbs are 300 tokens, not 50 or 60.

BlinkZZ1821 votes

No. Take this for an example. If someone is offering you 100 Japanese Yen in exchange for your 100 Dollar bill, you will refuse. You don't consider the ratio of yen and dollars to be 1:1. You take the market exchange rate.

It is the same logic here. Riot is offering you 1 BE for 1 token of yours, but you won't agree to it unless you have some tokens (less than 25) that you really have no way to spend.

True Garen6 votes

[{quoted}](name=UVM ZhaoRiTian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jQ7WE7GB,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-11-20T02:19:27.881+0000)

No. Take this for an example. If someone is offering you 100 Japanese Yen in exchange for your 100 Dollar bill, you will refuse. You don't consider the ratio of yen and dollars to be 1:1. You take the market exchange rate.

It is the same logic here. Riot is offering you 1 BE for 1 token of yours, but you won't agree to it unless you have some tokens (less than 25) that you really have no way to spend.

Yes, I understand. And that's also bad. Why should I get a lower exchange rate for World tokens than we did for the tokens of the other missions? Especially, since, I paid for a pass on this event.

GigglesO3 votes

[{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jQ7WE7GB,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-11-20T00:14:24.791+0000)

But that was the point... everything else that you get with the tokens has been adjusted. The Tokens are 1 BE, not 5 or 10, and the Orbs are 300 tokens, not 50 or 60.

[{quoted}](name=UVM ZhaoRiTian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jQ7WE7GB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-19T22:50:56.828+0000)

Do not consider 1 token = 1 BE, unless you plan to convert all tokens into BE through a ratio of 1:1

This ^^ get the 100 token champ shard followed by what should be a minimum of 960 blue essence.

Its a 9:1 or possibly even 10:1 if you get lucky and get the better than minimum shards. Don't buy the lower rates unless you have nothing left.

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