KASSADIN WITHOUT SILENCE IS NOT KASSADIN!!!!!!!!!

warwiller·May 13, 2015·8 votes·1,933 views

KASSADINW ITHOUT SILENCE IS NOT KASSADIN!!!!!!!!!

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ModAcademy KaynMay 13, 20154 votes

Nope. Assassins with hard cc are the worst. LeBlanc barely gets by with her Snare

warwillerMay 13, 20153 votes

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Nope. Assassins with hard cc are the worst. LeBlanc barely gets by with her Snare

Thats because you people are obsessed with hard cc. Everything to you is hard cc. Even pizza is hard cc. Can you please say a sentence about lol that doesnt include hard cc?

ModAcademy KaynMay 13, 20152 votes

Well excuse me, I'm sorry that an assassin with any sort of hard cc is abusive to the game to the point of that their opponent is unable to retaliate in any shape or form.

It's called balance, anti-mage or assassin, being unable to retaliate while they burst you down quick is just not healthy. They did it to Leblanc with her silence, and Talon with his. Kassadin is no exception.

LifeCyclesTWAMay 13, 20154 votes

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Nope. Assassins with hard cc are the worst. LeBlanc barely gets by with her Snare

The guy was originally intended to be an anti-mage, not an assassin. They should have buffed his anti-mage qualities while lowering his assassin-capabilities. I agree Assassins are a bitch to play against when they have a silence. But, Kassadin is no longer Kassadin without the silence, because what the hell is an anti-mage without some form of silence? Riot went the wrong direction with his rework.

ModAcademy KaynMay 13, 20154 votes

Anti-mage with a click and point silence is just as bad, I'm sorry. Fiddle gets his silence to be click and point because his damage is Overtime and requires people being unable to counter react to be able to do damage.

Kassadin is exactly the opposite. He is a burst champion who does not need much time to output his damage. It just wouldn't be healthy to add in much cc into that.

(Please note I am talking about click and point silences. Malhazar's is a skill shot.)

warwillerMay 13, 20151 votes

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Anti-mage with a click and point silence is just as bad, I'm sorry. Fiddle gets his silence to be click and point because his damage is Overtime and requires people being unable to counter react to be able to do damage.

Kassadin is exactly the opposite. He is a burst champion who does not need much time to output his damage. It just wouldn't be healthy to add in much cc into that.

(Please note I am talking about click and point silences. Malhazar's is a skill shot.)

Kassadin isn't an assasin really :d

ModAcademy KaynMay 13, 20151 votes

Never said he was. I said Anti-Mage, but he still has burst.

warwillerMay 14, 20151 votes

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Never said he was. I said Anti-Mage, but he still has burst.

Exactly.

You see.

He doesn't have the degree of burst of prime assassins, so he is allowed to balance this defeciency with mild, specialized cc.

In order to complete his theme as an anti-mage (in fact, a PROPER!! silence is his primary tool as an anti mage)

You are your own worst enemy!

Iota ThetaJun 12, 20151 votes

What if it was on his W or E. With E it'd be skillshot/AoE like Cho'Gath's, but it wouldn't be all the time, or part of a melee attack with W. I don't know how bad his silence used to be, because I joined LoL after they took that away (I joined in...February of this year?), but I feel like a character who is supposed to be an anti-mage needs some way to combat mages. I was against a lissandra yesterday that destroyed me. I'm not that great of a player, but I had no chance against her.

NilokMay 13, 20152 votes

Since when was silence a hard CC?!

Hard CC are: -Airborne (Knockup, Pull) -Forced Action (Charm, Taunt, Fear) -Stun -Suppression

Silence is not hard CC. Bind isn't even hard CC, it is just annoying against LeBlanc. Hard CC means you cannot control your character at all.

JustMyBassCannonMay 13, 20151 votes

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Since when was silence a hard CC?!

Since it cancels all spells, which is significant considering that the ability to counter-react is pretty much dependent on abilities and summoner spells.

NilokMay 13, 20152 votes

That still doesn't make it Hard CC. It does show a problem as Riot has been making champions far too reliant on active abilities to do their job, including the ADC, which has inadvertently buffed silence, but in no way does that make it hard CC.

As I wrote in my post, hard CC is defined by taking away all options a player can make outside of cleansing the effect. Silence still leaves you with full movement speed and unrestricted auto attacks, which is why it is soft CC.

Edit: On reviewing your post again, the need to "counter-react" seems to me implying escaping by using dashes and flash. I personally play fairly immobile champions (no dashes) and use positioning and zoning to keep myself safe instead of relying on flash, which I mainly use to secure a kill, not "counter-react".

So it may be better to say then, that there are too many dash reliant champions now. Perhaps they should be reviewed so they are not as reliant on their dash.

ModAcademy KaynMay 13, 20151 votes

Yes, because I will kill the enemy Kassadin, Talon, or Leblanc with auto attacks as a mage in mid lane. That will sure show them how silly it was to remove all my abilities, damage, and counter attack. /sarcasm

NilokMay 13, 20152 votes

The point of silence is that you can't. It is an ability specifically designed to cripple ability dependent champions like mages while leaving ADC and attack damage champions mostly unaffected. A problem is Riot has gone a bit ability crazy as the years have gone on.

A good counter to a champion with a silence is suppose to be a strong AD champion that isn't effected by it, however, this becomes a problem when the silence is attached to a powerful nuke point and click instead of a disable that can do some damage or powerful ability, but a skill shot.

I think silence should have a place in the game, Riot just needs to review how it can work in the game with how they have pushed champion development. Kassadin should be reviewed and his damage/abilities tweaked so his silence can reinstated. Maybe make it part of his Void Blade so he can't poke with it as hard without engaging.

ModAcademy KaynMay 13, 20151 votes

I'm not against silences, I'm against when getting disabled because my enemy clicked on me first, like you mentioned in your example. Were they make it something easier to fight/avoid, I would not mind Kassadin having a silence.

LifeCyclesTWAMay 13, 20153 votes

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Since it cancels all spells, which is significant considering that the ability to counter-react is pretty much dependent on abilities and summoner spells.

If silence is hard cc what the fuck is normal cc? lmao. Look, I understand silence being taken away from Assassin such as Talon and Leblanc, but with Kassadin they should have reduced his damage potential and let him keep the silence. Talon and Leblanc are assassins, they are designed to burst squishies 100-0. Kassadin however is designed to be an anti-mage and shut down casters. He should be the Teemo of mid lane, not as good as other champions in his lane in teamfights but denies the other laner hard. Prevents snowballs from happeneing. I want Kass to counter snowbally champions, because he is an anti-mage. Not to burst down ADCs 100-0.

JustMyBassCannonMay 13, 20152 votes

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If silence is hard cc what the fuck is normal cc?

The term which you seek is "soft CC" and it refers to crowd control that only partially inhibits a character, such as slows and damage reduction.

I suppose you could call it the middle ground between soft and hard CC. Snares only stop movement. Silences only stop spells. Blinds only stop basic attacks. They completely halt one function, but there are champions completely unaffected by each of those respective CC effects. A silence won't bother Kalista, a blind won't bother Swain, and a snare won't bother Jarvan.

lmao. Look, I understand silence being taken away from Assassin such as Talon and Leblanc, but with Kassadin they should have reduced his damage potential and let him keep the silence. Talon and Leblanc are assassins, they are designed to burst squishies 100-0. Kassadin however is designed to be an anti-mage and shut down casters. He should be the Teemo of mid lane, not as good as other champions in his lane in teamfights but denies the other laner hard. Prevents snowballs from happeneing. I want Kass to counter snowbally champions, because he is an anti-mage. Not to burst down ADCs 100-0.

It's possible to be an anti-mage without a silence. It's not like the only way to effectively shut down a mage is to make their spells completely unavailable. It's just the easiest way to do it.

CinCameronMay 13, 20151 votes

His burst was never amazing in the first place. He was built as an assassin because of the old Lich Bane (Which had a 75% AP scaling so anyone who built that was OP cough... Ezreal) His W rework during season 4 turned him into more of a burst mage. His Q and E was all the burst he had before the changes to his ulti (season 3 when his ult had the 80% AP ratio with 10% ap ratio per stack... was OP) and w (Changed from a duration of increased dmg aa to a stab with a 60% AP ratio), and now he only has one cc that lasts for 1 second... that's it.

Troy242621May 13, 20153 votes

No, he was still Kassadin. He isn't Kassadin with the skill Rift Limp replacing his ultimate.

Takeuchi 17May 13, 20152 votes

lol RIP Kassawin...now hes utterly useless =,(

VICTORIA BABYOct 14, 20153 votes

yea kass WITHOUT SILENCE IS NOT KASSADIN

Rand0mH3r0XMay 13, 20152 votes

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2woei2/riot_solcrushed_korean_ama_translation/

Champion rework gives this much -> <- about what you think. "We feel..."

aaronautumnMay 13, 20152 votes

insaiyanbaccaMay 13, 20152 votes

He's fine

warwillerMay 13, 20152 votes

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leblanc player detected

insaiyanbaccaMay 13, 20152 votes

lol wut ive played like 3 lb games and i have like 30-50 kass games

warwillerMay 13, 20151 votes

Insainylbaca

There's no denying it now. We already know who you are!

insaiyanbaccaMay 13, 20152 votes

go ahead check my match history

warwillerMay 14, 20151 votes

Insainlyan

ok /sarcasm

not

Colgate GatorOct 14, 20152 votes

Sadly enough, anyone who doesn't play Kassadin is okay with this.

I'd rather take on all these Juggernaguts than going back to the time when Kass was firstpicked every game.

BeldairFeb 9, 20161 votes

I played Kass after the removal of his silence and i actually think he is strong enough as it is...i like to play him mid against casters or assassins (but usually only casters).

VICTORIA BABYOct 15, 20152 votes

well let go of silence kassadin leblanc and talon and then we'll see these characters now are nothing compared to the other

VICTORIA BABYOct 15, 20152 votes

you do not understand this character made the worst they could do they changed everything remove silence ,w, e, slow for 1 sec,r range , model kass so bad man do you undurstand ,he is ugly right now omg RIOT do something please

200 IQ IdiotFeb 9, 20162 votes

Kassadin deserves his silence. I started playing him post-silence, and hes still pretty strong. If Kass gets reworked again, I want the damage and distance on his ult to be slightly buffed, but the cooldown to be doubled, at least 4 seconds at lvl 16. Then you buff his q and give him his silence back. This will make him truly viable again and he will be able to beat assassins in lane again. Until that happens i can still pwn yasuos with Diana item 1056

WindfallenMay 13, 20151 votes

I'm gonna guess that you haven't been playing kass or keeping up with his changes.

He's seen a lot of nerfs since the removal of his silence.... which means he functioned just fine without it. I won't argue that he's a lot weaker with his R's range getting such a huge nerf. I see absolutely no one playing him atm, less than Elise even.