+2 LP for playing Support or "Fill"

GigglesO·Dec 30, 2016·48 votes·3,939 views

Would this convince you to play the role more often? It would pad losses with +2, and boost gains with +2.

61 Comments

BlackHairedGirlDec 30, 201624 votes

When you're a support main.

Teheheheheh

NineTailedMysticDec 30, 20161 votes

So? It still brings incentive for other people to Support, hopefully removing the need for autofill.

Clapper of AssesDec 31, 20161 votes

Low Key Support is the best role, while every other role has 1/5 of the impact in the game we have have 2/5.

DreadlocksDec 30, 201610 votes

I'd say at least +3 since that's what u lose to dodge :)

6SfoolDec 30, 20166 votes

You mean IP right? Otherwise support mains will get boosted and adcs will truly hate their supports.

ChaoticPineconeDec 31, 20162 votes

You need 100 LP to get into promos. He is talking about giving +2 LP per game. Over the course of 5 games, thats a grand total of 10 LP. Its the difference between a Gold 2 with 90 LP and Gold 2 with 100 LP. Then when said support player gets into their promos, they still need to win 2/3 or 3/5 to advance. If they cant advance like everyone else, then they dont rank up.

Do you realize how lucky you have to be to actually make use of this? First, think of the small amount of situations this would actually be useful:

You would need 4 wins in a row at 23-24 LP per win. If you get 24+ or 23- LP per win, the +2 probably wont have any effect on your gain cause youll overshoot 100LP. If you are required to overshoot 100LP to get into promos, the +2 doesnt mean anything.
You need 5 wins in a row at 18-20 LP
You need 6 wins in a row at 14-16 LP in a row (if youre getting 14-16 LP per win, good luck winning 6 in a row).

At most its a difference of one game's worth of LP, and that requires 6 wins in a row at 14 LP. At the least, its around half a game worth of LP. At the most, its the impact of one game. If you think not having to play one game will get you "boosted" into a rank you dont belong, well, thats an issue on your end of thinking. While there is a skill difference between Gold 2 and Gold 1, nobody will call that boosted. Thats just random fluctuations in skill among the ranks.

RivetAceDec 30, 20165 votes

How about +2 for autofill, but only if you stay in the role you got autofilled to.

DarkRitualDec 30, 20162 votes

While a decent thought, it is actually unfavorable to existing support mains. When it's better to queue up other roles and hope you get autofilled into your main role, something is flawed.

GigaPubeDec 30, 20165 votes

do you meeeaaan IP? i really hope you mean IP. IP i absolutely agree with, 100% hands down good suggestion, nice one, love it, rito plz

LP....

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

HeaterDec 30, 20164 votes

Nah, this wouldn't be fair to people who play other roles. Why should someone get more lp just for playing support or fill

RookPusherDec 30, 20165 votes

These types of arguments infuriate me.

"here's a solution to a game wide problem"

"yeah but where's my stuff? I don't want anyone else gettin' stuff unless I also get stuff. And it better be just as good as their stuff, frankly better, because top lane carries, but if it's worse, no effin way"

"Ok well then just go back to complaining about auto fill"

DarkRitualDec 30, 20168 votes

I'm a support main. I don't want them just tossing free stuff for playing support. More support players doesn't completely fix the problem if they are only doing it out of greed for LP. I think it would help, but it needs to not be by itself. As part of a suite of things aimed at increasing the number of players playing the role, it would be okay though, and definately not just a straight LP bonus.

Glory ln DeathDec 30, 20162 votes

"Playing support or fill grants +2 LP at the end of a ranked game, win or lose. Because we believe this will greatly increase the number of players playing support, we are also disabling autofill."

There you go. Happy?

KrystleDec 30, 20164 votes

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LexyyDec 31, 20162 votes

100% true

MyTeamIsAwsomeDec 31, 20164 votes

It would maybe be abused by peaple that takes support for faster queue and proceed to steal otherplayer role.

Ariel the CruelDec 30, 20163 votes

plot twist! Now everyone queues for support and gets auto-filled. Pick order becomes king again. ;p

RalanrDec 30, 20163 votes

I think this would encourage more Brand "supports"

VerdadeDec 30, 20167 votes

Implying Brand isn't support?

RalanrDec 30, 20166 votes

He isn't much of one if he's going full damage and has no sightstone.

Remlap1223Dec 30, 20161 votes

I've never seen a buffalo, therefore they don't exist.

Just because one guy autofilled and decided to go full AP bot lane doesn't mean everyone does it.

RalanrDec 30, 20161 votes

Of course it doesn't. That's not the point. The point is that giving more LP for just queuing up for support doesn't actually encourage people to play supports, it just encourages them to queue up for the support role.

VerdadeDec 31, 20161 votes

If Brand isn't support then Nautilus isn't either. Both have 0 supportive abilities

RalanrDec 31, 20161 votes

You're right, Nautilus isn't a support. He's a top laner. At least that's what he's designed for.

BIH DiamondDec 31, 20161 votes

Except Naut has a shit ton of CC which he can use for peel and engage while being tanky and not needing a lot of gold to do this.

2Charmnot2CharmDec 30, 20163 votes

As much as i would love to play bard i just can't in solo queue.

Too many times both my top and mid laners let me down.

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

YambrinZDec 31, 20163 votes

No. I already get a benefit from playing support/fill......FASTER QUEUE TIMES. And I literally base my decision of whether to queue as top/mid or support/fill on how long I am willing to wait. Playing as support/fill doesnt mean you are a better player, and thats what your LP is representing...your skill at the game....

DarkPh0enixDec 30, 20162 votes

I am a victim of MMR too high for my own skill (I don't understand why this shit happened). I can imagine support mains that get lucky and win a good ammount of games climbing when they shouldn't climb and then having them matched with people way better than them and getting stomped. At 5 wins, it is an extra 10 so you can get at least 18 LP in 5 games and get into a series.

Nameless VoiceDec 30, 20162 votes

LP and MMR are related, but not the same thing.

The support/fill who was getting +2 LP would actually be playing against lower-tier opponents, because their MMR would be lower than their rank.

GigglesODec 30, 20162 votes

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LP and MMR are related, but not the same thing.

The support/fill who was getting +2 LP would actually be playing against lower-tier opponents, because their MMR would be lower than their rank.

I know it is, but in the grand scheme +2 takes a long time to rack up. Also, if your LP rank is too much higher than your MMR you start to get LP gains decreased. That means if you've normally been getting +18 but suddenly Rito thinks you are too high LP for your MMR you start gaining +16.

It would balance it out in the end, but could draw people into playing it so that they feel like support and auto fill aren't such punished roles.

Nameless VoiceDec 30, 20164 votes

Yes, I think at the end of the day the +2 LP would probably be an illusion, since having a higher rank would mean you get less LP for your wins and it balances out.

Still, if it encourages more people to want to play support...

GigglesODec 30, 20162 votes

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Yes, I think at the end of the day the +2 LP would probably be an illusion, since having a higher rank would mean you get less LP for your wins and it balances out.

Still, if it encourages more people to want to play support...

I think it would. The only thing that it would do that league maybe wouldn't want it to do, is to help actually good supports or fillers to climb faster.

OdinakosDec 30, 20161 votes

Instead of writing lower tier you should write "Lower rank, same skill". Just more clarity, you originally confused me there.

SlashStrikerDec 30, 20162 votes

Sellouts don't solve problems. They just create more problems.

Best way to deal with auto fill is to remove it or make more champions enjoyable as Support

Take other games like MMORPGs,

In the Lague you have to give gold item to get gold which no one realize how stupid this is Dawngate used to have mechanic that when nearby enemy minion die you get 6 gold if you didn't kill it Heroes of the storm does not rely on Gold to get ahead. Your entire team levels up equally through which you get more talents to enhance your abilities

Good Support Example is Tassadar from Heroes of the Storm

VerdadeDec 30, 20161 votes

Exactly this. Tassadar, Reghar, Tyrande... all really enjoyable supports

MarshbouyDec 30, 20162 votes

No. good on paper but most likely terrible in practice. This will artificially boost the LP gains of support players, regardless of their skill. Definitely not the thing that you want in a game about skill.

Bronze BonanzaDec 30, 20162 votes

Or... Riot could reward extra IP like reasonable, non-money-grubbing devs. Many players would be thrilled, considering the ridiculous IP gating on this game, and it wouldn't negatively affect the ranking system.

woodvsmurphDec 30, 20162 votes

no, but sup is my 2nd choice anyways

Asayake 5150glowDec 30, 20162 votes

+100 IP when filling.

Would get rid of any shortages at low elo shortages, I'm sure there's enough players grinding for IP.

HigeDec 30, 20162 votes

inb4 3 people in bot lane because: I CALLED SUPPORT

Asayake 5150glowDec 30, 20161 votes

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inb4 3 people in bot lane because: I CALLED SUPPORT

Only works if you queued for it XD

ltmetalDec 31, 20162 votes

I would absolutely love to see this. However, I can foresee an abuse case where scrubs would declare Support and try to steal Mid the second they got in the lobby, so there would have to be a solution for this too.

GigglesODec 31, 20162 votes

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I would absolutely love to see this. However, I can foresee an abuse case where scrubs would declare Support and try to steal Mid the second they got in the lobby, so there would have to be a solution for this too.

They already track what lane you go to... it wouldn't be that hard to code it you have to go to where you are supposed to.

notice me Sin piDec 31, 20161 votes

they do track in blind mode but not in draft mode for some reason. Im pretty sure that exact same code in blind mode can be reused tho

AkaliTheOPDec 30, 20161 votes

As a support main, I would take whatever benefit Riot would give. I do think supports are in an interesting spot where some supports, like Janna, are insanely strong - IF you're in higher ELO. Low ELO non-carry supports just don't cut it since you'll have no impact on the game if the other lanes you can't impact as much don't do well, even if you do make mid roams. For games where your loss is out of your control, I can't help but be biased in feeling great about curbing the LP loss.

Professor WardDec 30, 20161 votes

all i learned in this thread is that i get way more lp than the average player. Never less than 20 and i main support, it'd probably make me play more ranked honestly.