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Why would I ever pick Kha'Zix over Nidalee.

Scrimshäw··40 votes·3,704 views

Nidalee Q- Execute with on hit effects. Long range poke/harass/seige/nuke.

Kha'Zix Q- Not an execute. No on hit effects. Useless damage without isolation. Can't cotribute to team fights at all.

Nidalee W- Helps clear speed, doubles as a scouting tool. Infinite manaless mobility on no noticeable cool down, can be spammed against marked targets. Deals nuke damage for some reason.

Kha Zix E- Range is laughably low. Can't go through wide walls, long cool down, damage is less than a cannon minion.

Nidalee E- AP scaling heal and attack speed buff, can target allies and self, AOE nuke damage. Almost no cool down in cougar form.

Kha'Zix W- extremely small AOE, useless by late game for anything other than the slow, AP scaling heal, minimal damage.

Nidalee R- 6 skills and movement speed Kha'Zix R- only used for proccing your passive and evolving your shit skills.

RIP Bug's Life. You will be missed.

54 Comments

AnOstrichWithPMS19 votes

just play rengar

he is the best of both worlds, he has khazix kit with half the effort and he is a cat

Salt Miner 49 Er7 votes

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just play rengar

he is the best of both worlds, he has khazix kit with half the effort and he is a cat

He's a LION, not a cat. Hear him roar.

Leti the Yeti3 votes

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He's a LION, not a cat. Hear him roar.

and lions are just big cats you now that right?

Salt Miner 49 Er2 votes

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and lions are just big cats you now that right?

A common house cat has more in common with a cougar than an actual African Lion.

Leti the Yeti5 votes

thats cool and all but Lions are still cats

A Miss Fortune4 votes

He doesn't one shot your ADC late game with a spear though.

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Raja Chachki9 votes

"Why would I ever pick Kha'Zix over Nidalee." well just don't if he sucks so badly. otherwise, suck it up, play your beloved bug, and show those bitches what he can do.

Thefriendlyorc4 votes

I'm an old Singed Player for a LONG time, I love my mad chemist and enjoy playing him for fun, however, I'm aware of his critical weaknesses, in lane, in getting kited, etc. When I play ranked, I'm there to win, so I'm going to pick the strongest champion I know how to play, like Sion or Trundle or Maokai, I sympathize with OP, as it feels with some champions there is a 'wall' you run into where a champion cant get past.

Narasimha2 votes

Not really. There's plenty of people who've climbed to Diamond on 'weak' champions alone, like Taric, Teemo, Galio, etc. If you truly enjoy and consistently use a champion , you will be able to pull out their strengths and mitigate their weaknesses to the point where 'OP' champs don't make a difference.

Thefriendlyorc2 votes

we call those 'exceptions to the rule'.

qetzel2 votes

There are so many exceptions though...

Thefriendlyorc1 votes

While that is true, they typically have to be used in limited niche situations, while they will be acceptable and even excel in the niche roles, the generalists always seem to take over due to their seemingly limitless versatility. I actually have quite a few non meta picks that I adore playing, Trundle for example I enjoy playing in the jungle as an answer to the uproar of bruisers in the current jungle, their high stat blocks are exceptionally useful to a champion that steals their stats. Turning a bruiser into a squishy assassin without the assassin burst, while also taking away some of their damage is a niche thing he does, but he is great at it.

qetzel1 votes

Many people reach Diamond by playing that one champion whenever possible (excluding hard counters). Nieche is good, but not necessary. There are Urgot only mains, Taric only mains, Eve only mains... All have a nieche but can be played well regardless.

Joquan1 votes

we call them " people that aren't bad "

The Chain Warder8 votes

The reason you should pick Kha'Zix over Nidalee is simple. His laugh/taunt/joke spams are way better.

Poptart Evelynn6 votes

You must not play Kha if you are stating these reasons. I can output twice the damage that nid can without the need to land a skill shot.

Nid is dear god useless other than a heal if enemy team hard engages. Kha however can utilize w/ult/passive to peel targets and gap close carries regardless of the whole team being there.

Kha can one shot people every 2.1 seconds if ahead and targets split. Nid requires landing good spears. Kha does not.

Don't compare the two if you think that nid's Q execute is stronger than Kha's Q isolation. Kha has far higher damage output potential than nid does.

Everyone is still behind on the adaption of Kha lately. It's amusing.

item 3723 item 3117 item 3074 item 3035 item 3071 item 3508 item 2140 Thank me later if you try it out. Requires skill to utilize properly but it can 3 shot a fully built nasus with the utilization of evolved R. Evolve route q > e > r.

Edit - You say his E range is laughable. I'm sorry are you not even evolving it? It's one of the longest jumps in the game that resets on kills/assists.

JJ H0G1 votes

imo Youmuu's and stalker's blade are better, but it depends on the game. I also prefer to not get mobi boots unless i really need to go fast.

Scrimshäw5 votes

I'm going to contain my rage and say you don't actually play Kha'Zix, because he is shit useless if the enemy team groups. He's great on paper, but in actuality he's not good at all.

Narasimha2 votes

I mean, ALL assassins are pretty much useless when the enemy team groups. Not even Leblanc can instagib a squishy anymore if he/she has a team around them.

ThePlasticSpork9 votes

You're really suggesting that Kha build essence reaver

Dear God no

Anyways, the enemy team decides whether or not Kha's Q will deal respectable damage. Kha himself has almost 0 control over that.

If the enemy team is smart and doesn't leave their squishies alone, Kha loses all of his damage, and with it, his resets.

Kha has nothing that would allow him to peel targets. At all. His slows are completely ineffective against 90% of things that you would want to be peeling.

Even with isolation bonus, Nidalee's full combo will deal more damage anyway. Kha literally has one highly situational nuke and the rest of his abilities do shit for damage. Both forms of Nidalee's Q do good damage, and then you add in the rest of her cougar abilities and her combo will easily outstrip Kha's for damage. Nidalee is limited by having to land a skillshot, but her landing her spear is more likely than Kha getting his isolation bonus in fights. This is especially true in the laning phase, where Nidalee's ganks are several times more potent than Kha's in addition to her healthier clear.

Junkο4 votes

Because...

ElJanitorFrank5 votes

That single game's stats that show no stats other than the 2 junglers and no video footage of the course of the game is an accurate representation of the subject matter and can be used as proof.

Junkο1 votes

Because if i listed stats other than the junglers, you guys would have just went "But your team feed your Kha, he wasn't fed because he knew how to play and Kha is fine or anything". Also i'm too lazy to dig up the last 5 games of Kha and Nidalee and compare the godly KDAs of all the Kha'zixs(sadly most were on enemy team) i have seen and the terrible KDAs of all the Nidalees

manbearswine4 votes

"why would you ever pick a balanced champion over a broken one"?

Gee,I don't know,cause shit balancing?

QUICK,LET'S BREAK EVERYTHING,THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS FAIR.

bad arcade kitty4 votes

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"why would you ever pick a balanced champion over a broken one"?

Gee,I don't know,cause shit balancing?

QUICK,LET'S BREAK EVERYTHING,THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS FAIR.

brokenness is a matter of numbers while he complains of the kit concept kha used to be completely broken too

manbearswine3 votes

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brokenness is a matter of numbers while he complains of the kit concept kha used to be completely broken too

So how then kha'zix was stronger than nidalee if it's not a matter of numbers?

Just face it,op just used incredibly dumb logic to ask for the breaking of kha'zix,what kind of a sensible person would compare any champion to one which is clearly way too strong right now?

I mean if he would compare him to some second tier jungler and say "why would I pick kha'zix over gragas/skraner/etc(or something you consider second tier,and no,j4/vi/lee are NOT second tier) and make some valid points the thread would make for a good discussion,this is just a bunch of kha'zix players asking to make him op again.

bad arcade kitty2 votes

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So how then kha'zix was stronger than nidalee if it's not a matter of numbers?

Just face it,op just used incredibly dumb logic to ask for the breaking of kha'zix,what kind of a sensible person would compare any champion to one which is clearly way too strong right now?

what is it even supposed to mean

manbearswine2 votes

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what is it even supposed to mean

That you don't make claims for a champion being weak by comparing it to something which is clearly way too strong.

Clear enough for you?

It Hertz When IP2 votes

I don't think they just want to make him OP again. Kha's Isolation mechanic and evolution mechanic are both really interesting ideas, and thematically I thought they sounded cool. It's the rest of his kit and the overall underwhelming number setup that kills Kha'zik's performance. I only played him a handful of times and rarely face him, but I'd love to see that change, as I feel like his Q (if nothing else) screams "I promote counter-play". Like the real kind of counterplay.

manbearswine1 votes

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I don't think they just want to make him OP again.

Definitely are,why else would someone compare him to something as "balanced" as nidalee.

Kha's Isolation mechanic and evolution mechanic are both really interesting ideas, and thematically I thought they sounded cool.

Well I don't know about most people(but I can guess) but for me kha'zix has always been another lee/j4/vi,something with immense mobility which hits hard,and is just another oppressive early game jungler.

It's the rest of his kit and the overall underwhelming number setup that kills Kha'zik's performance. I only played him a handful of times and rarely face him, but I'd love to see that change, as I feel like his Q (if nothing else) screams "I promote counter-play". Like the real kind of counterplay.

Right now it does,as 500 range is basically where counterplay starts(less than that and either kha'zix deletes you,or you have to group for aoe to delete you,so you are fucked either way),which is exactly his problem,as far as the current meta stands counterplay is weakness,just look at the strongest picks,at best each of them maybe has one not too important ability with counterplay,the rest is all reliable.

But the biggest issue with this thread is that there are so fucking many champions who not only are weaker than him right now,but also while he was alternating between broken,op and "not so great" they've remained shit,to make things worse as I've said kha'zix is your average meta game jungler,even if he would be buffed to lee tier that would just be another lee,and won't add any meaningful variety,I mean I agree he could stand to get some buffs,but he should be VERY VERY low on the priority list(if it makes you feel better historically riot does some really dumb shit,like the latest ahri buffs,a champion who again,should've been VERY VERY low on the priority list).

Meep Man3 votes

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"why would you ever pick a balanced champion over a broken one"?

Gee,I don't know,cause shit balancing?

QUICK,LET'S BREAK EVERYTHING,THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS FAIR.

Did you mean Dota 2?

manbearswine1 votes

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Did you mean Dota 2?

Not really,no.

SouL1ess3 votes

DotA 2 has far more advanced balancing than League...

Item goes into the balancing role in terms of active gameplay, and not just statistical advantages. In this respect, DotA has it way better than League, as certain champions can be countered by certain items even if they cannot be countered by certain picks.

RoyaiChaos2 votes

If Kha was buffed, he would go back to being OP. It's not that simple.

q O y O p2 votes

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If Kha was buffed, he would go back to being OP. It's not that simple.

Wrong... The jungle has changed. His presence isn't the same as it used to be. Reverting him back to old stats would bring him up to speed with the current meta.

ZeroAnarchy3 votes

Resets.

Saianna31 votes

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Resets.

Nidalees cooldowns are almost as short as resets :|

Focus Teemo7 votes

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Nidalees cooldowns are almost as short as resets :|

Considering she gets her incredibly low cooldown on pounce reduced on kill they might as well be resets. "Killing a unit will reduce Pounce's current cooldown to 1.5 second if it's currently higher" from the wiki.

Leti the Yeti3 votes

Why would you play so many other champs over nidalee? ;l

windwolf7772 votes

Pride to say "WOW LOL YOU NOOBS LOST TO A Khazix"

Tentacle Love1 votes

"Why would I ever pick Kha'Zix over Nidalee"

Because the enemy jungler picked Rengar and is full of it.

bad arcade kitty1 votes

kha is a stronger duelist, has more teamfight presence and a better chaser too nida has a better poke

Scrimshäw2 votes

the fuck?

Thefriendlyorc2 votes

'Kha is a better chaser' WHAT.

MrBuffington1 votes

Nidalee and Kha'Zix are very different champions in terms of how they play a game, even though there are (very faint) similarities in what they have in their kit; I wouldn't compare the two of them. Nidalee is a jungler that has high early-mid game pressure and lower late game/teamfight pressure; Kha has lower early game pressure and is strongest in the mid-late game. I'd compare Nidalee more with Shaco/Pantheon/Rek'Sai, where Kha'Zix is more like Rengar/Wukong, in terms of their general powercurves (Wukong is stronger in teamfights, but typically doesn't have the same assassination potential). Kha'Zix (and Rengar) are still insanely powerful assassins though; with like, 2-3 damage items and a properly performed combo, they can one-shot a squishy before they even land their jump (yes, I have seen this done numerous times in Season 5).

Honestly though, I would say that Kha'Zix, Rengar, Wukong, and the like are in a rough spot right now because of tank junglers; they rely on their scaling into late game, where a tank jungler basically will scale better into the late game than they will. You're probably better off playing an aggressive early jungler like Shaco/Nidalee/Lee Sin/Pantheon/Rek'Sai and try to shut down the enemy jungler/team early, or just play a tank jungler. Honestly, a well played Nunu is probably the best of both worlds right now.

EDIT: Wanted to also say Wukong is probably in a tougher spot than Rengar/Kha'Zix, since Wukong's strength is his teamfighting, which is also a tank's strength. Rengar and Kha'Zix can still find success with skirmishes and picks, Wukong less so. Basically Wukong is more affected by strong tank junglers than Kha'Zix/Rengar, who can still be successful

Síggy1 votes

Khazixs was my 2nd 6300.... maybe first since I refunded Zac to purchase him, and you're right. To many champs are just better. I hope he is restored to his former glory, because I have that khazixs skin from the Shurima event that is currently a bit unused since I just can't play him >:c. Rito pls restore khaxis. RITO PLS :C!

Khazix Khazix

Kuroi861 votes

Surprisingly more reliable damage (Q up much faster and still deals noticeable damage Vs. Having to his Javelin or land trap for hunt proc) Better gap closer mid game. More reliable ranged harass (Evolving void spikes gives you some forgiveness in your aiming) Much scarier dueling (isolation) Stealth ganks More power spikes

Nid has a better clear and can guarantee a kill if she lands the Javelin. Kha doesn't have to hit a skill shot though. He also being more sustained damage with passive procs and Q on lower cooldown than Nid.

Only Play Darius1 votes

Good question.

Kyloz1 votes

You actually have to hit your spear, unlike Kha'zix all you have to do is jump on an enemy and do "tons of damage"

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