"Smite rewards were too complex"

They provide some useful things, but I agree, there is no strategy. Running from an enemy? Hit the jumpy plant. Low on HP/mana? Pop that plant. Walk by a vision plant? Smack it.

Plants aren't for any strategy. They are for lcs flashy plays.

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Yah but what was wrong with, oh I need heath smite red, I need mana smite blue, I need a ward, smite wolves, etc etc. It was better than oh I need health smite anything.

Except the only ones that has any use was the Raptors buff.

You got mana back over time from your jungler item and actually killing Blue yourself gave you mana over time anyway because that is what Blue does.

Wolf buff was a joke at all levels of play.

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You mean by being awkward to click? That's not mechanical skill, that's just being a pain in the arse.

Thats a very shallow counterargument you have there. Might as well say every point and click thing in the game and every positioning based thing in the game is shit design by that point. including auto attacks. That's dumb.

They also went on record as bigging up plants as really in-depth changes that would revolutionise the jungle and League around them. Just go back and look at some of their wording and how they were described. Then when they came out they were no where near as compelling as Riot tried to make us believe.

I disagree. They really did revolutionize the jungle. The place is not the same beast it was before, not even close. the presence of blast cones alone made what were once bottle neck areas on the map far more dynamic and interesting. When someone goes to tribrush near top outer turret, you now know they are likely tring to use the blast cone to jump into the river whereas before you would get cucked by someone passing by blue and pincer'd 99% of the time because the path is so winedy. It also makes the gap between mobile and immobile champs that much smaller in the jungle now. Aeras where being immobile would be a death sentence such as right in front of baron and drag pit are now viable 1 time 1 way escape routes for every champ in the game.

Scrying bloom is probably the greatest example of how much the jungle is different now because of this. as now it is possible to scout out large chucks of the map for both wards , objectives, players, but this comes with the caveat that the bloom effect appears on the map, so this gives the enemy info if they are paying attention.

Seizing objectives is a completely different beast with this thing alone as you can now both use them to gain vision of people on drag or baron, or even enemy blue or red buffs without having the risk of walking in while they do it. You can also use it to scan for vision on an objective before you seize it.

Honeyfruit provides reasonable sustain before and after upcoming skirmishes and for junglers while they roam the map.

It can often be the difference between a back or you staying in lane so u don't fall behind on XP and CS when capitalized on for laners, or clearing the jungle and going to your next gank or invade as a jungler.

It can also just provide substantial lane sustain for laners in general.

All these things make the jungle a lot more interesting than just that space between the lanes with mobs to kill for gold and red and blue buff as it was before.

The jungle is place to hide, roam scout search for sustain, get an assist and navigate on a moment to moment basis now in a myriad of cases and situations.

To claim nothing has come of it is frankly ludicrous in my eyes. And while it isn't perfect, i fail to see what is so inherently wrong or bad about it.

Good and rewarding to use? Now I'm not arguing here that Smite buffs were, but not once have I felt that with plants. I find them vapid and insipid.

The irony. There was nothing satisfying about clicking the smite button on a mob for a buff that only really helped you clear more mobs.

If anythign is insipid here , its that very response.

Blast Cone seems to be designed to just fuck people over, regardless of how you planned to use it (also denying deaths is exactly what I figured LCS needed to be less boring). There's not skill or strategy involved, and if anything it just fucks someone over. In the event you're caught out it acts as a get out of jail free card....yawn.

This is purely just growing pains based on you being habituated to them not being there. Realistically, since you can see where these things are before they even show up, it is far from a get out of jail free card because it is a constant factor that you should be keeping in mind, no different than champs jumping through or over walls and ledges with mobility spells in the past in the years this game has existed.

Additionally, they have counterplay in that they can be dispatched before the person can use it even used against them by having them knocked in an unfavorable direction instead of the favorable one.

Scryer's Bloom, because why pick up Red Trinkets right? Really though this one is....okay? Again it's just meh, and rewards you in plenty of cases for not picking up a Control Ward or hanging onto a trinket ward to check objectives.

I'm noticing a pattern here with your posts. something something vapid something something insipid.

What it provides is a factoid that both sides have to keep in mind of throughout the entirety of the game.

Honeyfruit....it heals you. (shrugs) #gameplay It lets some laners become completely immovable from lane, something I'm pretty sure some have been nerfed for recently (being immovable from lane that is). In terms of jungling, well smite heals you on every camp now but here's something else to help you endlessly AFK farm. Your jungle camps haven't respawned? Who says the other side's jungle can't be farmed?

Regardless of the truths or the thoughts and feels, I don't like plants. Like I said I think they're completely dull, and another aspect of Riot's endless attempts to shake up the game every year just for the pure sake of it. Personally I see it as rather desperate as they run out of ideas....but that's just me. I can't imagine how junglers must feel every year, let alone new players! Since with every year of these massive overhauling changes I simply cannot fathom how much of an arse ache it is to learn this game....

Honestly, the new jungle is much easier than past iterations in my opinion. Outside of raptors which are pretty much a trap at early levels if you don't have the right AoE to clear the baby birds, all the camps are much easier to clear and the new smite keeps you nice and healthy at all stages of the jungle game, so i dont see that as an issue.

The main purpose of their addition, again, is to make it that the game doesn't become stale as most have admittedly confessed to in recent years because of how binary and linear the map progression was.

Previously, Dragon buffs couldn't be balanced because either they made the first drag to shitty to bother getting or too good not to get by making ti a stacking buff or just a heap of gold.

This does the same thing to the jungle, which was admittedly just dead space on the map for the most part.