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I just won as Udyr jg and it makes me want to quit LoL.

muted team chat·5/23/2018, 12:32:42 AM·127 votes·23,447 views

Dear Riot Games, I won a ranked game today (plat 3 mmr) and it left a bad/familiar taste in my mouth. I was Udyr vs a jungle Leona. My team played terribly early: ignored Leona's telegraphed pathing and even the wards she was walking through, dying to her ganks repeatedly. However, as a duelist jungler I was able to take every crab and invade her because the lane comps were favorable. Eventually I was taking all her camps and warding her jg freely because she couldn't really stop it. We won and it was boring.

The enemy team PLAYED BETTER but lost because we PICKED "BETTER" CHAMPS.

I play this game because I want to have the fun I used to have in previous seasons, but it just isn't happening. The time investment of learning how to play a new game is seeming less and less daunting.

I miss karthus jungle, or fid jungle, or teemo jungle, or pre-rework GP jungle or Garen jungle... etc. I miss options. I don't like jungle to be defined as "be at this point on the map by this time." This was the wrong way to shake things up and the outcome was PAINFULLY predictable.

edit: TLDR for you mouth-breathers: my beef is with the pigeon-holing of the jungle in to crab-centric duelists rather than allowing there to be variety in jungle play-styles. Leona went gank-heavy SUCCESSFULLY, but that isn't viable any more.

Here is a video that summarizes my feelings cause judging by the comments you all have reading-comprehension problems...

https://youtu.be/fPLiXiJw0Xg

125 Comments

Snowplosion5/23/2018, 3:54:06 AM61 votes

you sure it was because you were a duelist jungler or was it because she was a fucking leona...

Jamaree5/23/2018, 12:35:13 AM25 votes

I understand wanting variety and all, but I think more people would be pissed if things like team comps didn’t mean shit at all.

the weeaboo5/23/2018, 3:58:45 AM17 votes

Wait a second it's almost like you chose a strong meta jungler into a borderline troll pick and won because you could actually fight her? Ever heard of a team comp? lol.

Maybe it's just my Dota days but you shouldn't be able to jut brute force win with every comp. you can have 5 gods but if they're all AD and enemy buys armor that shouldn't matter. If you and your duo are mechanical masters of Ezreal and Karma that doesn't mean you shouldn't lose to a healing/CC lane like soraka and Jhin just because you're good. If one sides champs are good into anothers that's just how it works out.

Maybe if the game was more comp reliant there'd be less one tricks claiming they're good and less smurfs brute forcing wins by spamming Akali in silver.

Spicy Rice5/23/2018, 2:55:31 AM9 votes

I know it can feel like shit, knowing you won just because you out picked your opponents, but to be honest, that's part of the game, and pretty much always has been. Picking a comp is a skill you must master, just like any other in league

TonyTonyMordecai5/23/2018, 2:44:16 AM6 votes

I was gonna agree and mention how fun it was to theorycraft off meta builds and how good you felt when you succeeded in creating the perfect combination of runes, masteries, and items (being a big enthusiast in off meta and Teemo jungle), or even if you had an off meta duo lane and made it work, it felt awesome. Now it's turned into "who is in the top two tiers of champs?", and anyone who isn't in that bracket is destroyed, or those who used to be up there (but isn't a "nerf protected" champ) is nerfed hard and is unable to be played (Sona can't even get to her power spike anymore). I miss old League.

MasterDClone5/23/2018, 3:27:19 AM5 votes

All the people in the comments talking about how League now is so much worse and it feels like shit, riot has no idea what they're doing and they talk about how great league used to be, yet when you look at the boards for seasons 4 and 5 it's the same shit that we are seeing now but only crying about the seasons before this. I guess you just can't make people happy can u

Starcraft243ver5/23/2018, 9:00:24 AM5 votes

I can't find this game in your history match.

Daunt5/23/2018, 9:08:26 AM5 votes

Wouldn't this be a normal outcome for jg Leona? She picked a really bad champion for the jungle and she got punished for it by a better jg champion, how is that not ok? It's literally like complaining that i got stomped for going support Katarina by a meta support such as Braum. You're also comparing some off meta jungle picks who were possible with a fucking Leona who was never viable jungle.

TotalJerk5/23/2018, 7:55:11 AM4 votes

Leona is one of a few champions that should fucking never be allowed to be a decent jungler.

Altonius Amakiir5/23/2018, 8:37:55 AM3 votes

Maybe it's because Leona makes a terrible jungler clear-wise

DexterousGecko5/23/2018, 11:26:09 AM3 votes

Are you kidding me? It's a fucking jg LEONA.

Play against a rammus jg that did really well early, but you were able to 1v1 him and destroy him just from taking crabs and invading him. That at least would be an actual jg and not a troll pick like Leona.

Pika Fox5/23/2018, 1:16:44 PM3 votes

I dont see why youre upset.... Leona is my main, and as much fun as a random jungle Leona game could be, Udyr is a very strong invader, and Leona is a hot garbage jungler. Even without the jungle changes, this would have been the expected result.

Azeranth5/23/2018, 4:08:19 PM3 votes

Wait so, if I understand this correctly, enemy jungler did well early, the lanes did nothing with their leads, you got full reign of the jungle, and you beat her down because you're a deulist and shes a no damage tank? Just, to be clear, thats your complaint? You are upset, because your better scaling team OUTMACROED THE ENEMY and then won. From the sound of it you carreid and made it a 5v4 because of useless laners on the enemy team. Sounds like the jungle carried because you won your matchup, and extended your lead to your allies. Sounds like a well balanced game to me. Stop trying to get the sympathy upvotes "wah wah deulists are OP wah" its cause they need nerfs if anything, not cause jungle is poorly designed.

Snowman Arc5/23/2018, 10:04:37 AM3 votes

I don't agree. You can't expect to just take ANYTHING and do well with it. It's like "oh I'm gonna play Soraka ADC, oh fuck I got destroyed and we lost, Riot's fault for not making Soraka viable as a carry".

There are things viable and there are things unviable. Leona is unviable as a jungler. It doesn't work. People need to understand that it's 2018, not 2013. Everything, every little strategy, every little tip and trick is known. You see a weak early game duelist, like Amumu, Leona, Zac? INVADE them. They literally can do nothing. Things like that were viable back then because nobody would take the time to understand that counter jungling is a thing. Also, jungle monsters were far weaker back then, so anyone would clear the camps.

It's not Riot's fault.

Somebody Love Me5/23/2018, 3:54:59 AM2 votes

The enemy team PLAYED BETTER but lost because we PICKED "BETTER" CHAMPS.

Yup. Pick2win > Play2win. That's what this game has become.

Shazzbot695/23/2018, 1:59:51 AM2 votes

Just make a balanced game with hard counters. This way there is no such thing as wining cuz of better picks but team comp still matters.

jadelink5/24/2018, 7:48:43 AM1 votes

Look, if you jungle leona, you know you're letting your team down, even if your pathing is glorious and your ganks great.

It's not like she played a slightly off meta jungler, she took a champion that has next to no clear speed, and try to make it jungle, and hey, the cheese was working out ok... then eventually it starts to smell like overripe limberger.

News, the same can easily happen with jungle Teemo, Alistar, etc

This isn't new. It's been the case since Season 2. You try to jungle, you have no clear, you suffer for it, even if your ganks are great.