Guinsoo's and Trinity

Håppy··1 votes·2,475 views

Well, Trinity Force has been hardcore nerfed. It was an item that offered EVERYTHING. Absolutely everything. Movement speed, health, attack damage, mana, ability power, critical strike, attack speed. It was an offensive item that offered a li'l bit of everything to every offensive stat, it didn't discriminate. But nope, fuck off Ability Power. Fuck off bonus damage to your AP abilities for that mixed damage. Sorry Jax, sorry Udyr, sorry AD Evelynn, you don't get mixed damage.

And right as you remove the 30 AP from Trinity Force, we see this..

> NEWUNIQUE PASSIVE Basic attacks grant +8% Attack Speed, +3 Attack Damage, and +4 Ability Power for 5 seconds (stacks up to 8 times, melee attacks grant 2 stacks). While you have 8 stacks, gain Guinsoo's Rage. NEWGUINSOO'S RAGE Basic attacks deal bonus magic damage on hit equal to 20 + 15% of bonus Attack Damage and 7.5% of Ability Power to the target and nearby enemy units.

Guinsoo's Rageblade deals bonus magic damage on his equal to 7.5% of ability power. That's neat! That's an item that would work on Jax, keeping true to his Weaponsmaster, where every item benefits him in some way. That'd be a great item with Trinity Force, offering 32 AP from Guinsoo's and 30 AP from Trinity Force. That's 62 AP. That's a lot of extra damage. But, wait.. Trinity Force got nerfed. It doesn't benefit Jax as much anymore. So I should drop Trinity Force for Guinsoo's, right? Nope, I can't, the Sheen proc is too valuable. So if you want that 32 AP for your abilities and defense by proxy because of your ultimate, you're just going to have to give up a defensive item. This is a big nerf to Jax, and a big nerf to all Trinity Force users, especially ones that first-item rush it (Udyr, Jax, off the top of my head). I play those two champions pretty often, I have almost 100k mastery points on Udyr, and while I don't have as many Jax mastery points, I played him quite a lot before the introduction of Mastery Points, carrying myself to Gold with him. Jax is the reason why I am Gold right now, and this was before Sated Devourer. I feel like I have the right to make some criticism on these items, and how they'll affect these two champions.

This is ridiculous. Revert the AP removal from Sheen. It's, similarly, a nerf to Fizz, Kassadin and other champions who build Sheen in to Lich Bane for extra damage. I don't understand why you're ignoring feedback of this caliber, is it because you want to "evaluate the numbers" like you are with Mordekaiser? How's he doing? Oh, nothing on him either, despite it being months since that update. Glad we can trust you. Just ignore our feedback. Ignore the feedback on Sword of the Occult, ignore the feedback on Trinity Force, ignore all the feedback. I'm glad I'm hopping on the bandwagon for ADC role this season, because Jungle just became pitifully painful for us Jax and Udyr mains.

5 Comments

Arcane Azmadi2 votes

Honestly why don't Riot just remove Guinsoo's Rageblade? They've removed items that saw FAR more use (e.g Zephyr) for much less reason, but they've been sticking with this clunky old thing ever since season 1, desperately trying to find a way to make people want to use it. It's inexplicable.

Same with Ohmwrecker. They introduced it as part of their campaign to convince people "see, we don't hate supports, here's a sweet new item just for them!" but it failed because... it sucks and has always sucked. Hell, now they've NERFED it and they're STILL not going to remove it (oh, and they still really obviously hate supports).

Håppy1 votes

Zephyr was one of my go-to items on Udyr in lane. I'd go Triforce, Tabi, Zephyr, and then defensive items. And they removed tenacity from Elixer of Iron, so tenacity is unique to Mercury Treads again in item. So there goes a cooldown/attack speed/movement speed/tenacity item that did wonders on Udyr, and Vayne.

Ohmwrecker is a wonderful item for a late-game Nasus, just obliterate a tower for free and then dip out until it's off cooldown. It's an underappreciated item, really.

They're enforcing random niche items while removing other niche items because they're too niche or whatever.

Archener1 votes

Oh no, Rageblade will be very very good on at least some champions.

Im gonna rush it on Jax and Udyr at least.

Dreadlocks1 votes

I'm indifferent with the removal of ap, mainly because you get a bit more crit and 10% cdr. Im just a lilttle sad it cost 3800gold now =[. But yeah man Rageblade looks pretty strong now. I wonder if jax will go item 3146 item 3124 Like a TRUE Hybrid.

Håppy1 votes

It'll definitely be strong as fuck, but it's not going to be the same without his crushing sheen ult passive proc nukes. I'm going to have to try him out for a few games, and then I'll be making another thread detailing what I like and don't like about Jax's new build path.

I'm scared to try Udyr.. The lack of bonus gold from the jungle now is going to ruin him.

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

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