Please Return Zephyr - Or an item like it

Håppy·Dec 30, 2015·133 votes·4,381 views

Title. Honestly, as an Udyr main, this was invaluable if I wanted to go top lane and get Tabi while still having my tenacity. It was beneficial for marksmen who wanted more damage but wanted to get some extra movespeed in place of their boots. It was a really unique item that I don't feel was in need of deletion. The argument "But it's rarely purchased" falls through really fast when you consider Ohmwrecker is still in the game. Zephyr was a niche purchase, only gold efficient compared to other items in certain situations, however that's the good thing about niche items. They're there for specific reasons. Removing them seems like a pointless endeavor, and leaves fewer options for playstyles.

So, Riot, I ask you to please return Zephyr to the game, or create an item similar to it. My Udyr top, and AD Nasus, begs of you.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

84 Comments

khorneyDec 30, 201517 votes

I'm with you there I would sell my beserker greaves for this late game when I adcd . why not gaining damage attack speed not losing any movement speed

4kojDec 30, 201512 votes

I want it back for hide and seek ;_;

HAIL WHYDRADec 31, 20155 votes

item 3070 Udyr Rip Swiftness Alacrity Movement Speed Quint 5 Item Zephyr. You will be missed

SirHeavyScrotumJan 1, 20162 votes

I loved taking the enemy team for a walk with that, lmao

XenomancersDec 30, 201511 votes

MasterYi Lucian loved this item - I built it regularly as a 5th item.

Hello I am BirdDec 30, 201520 votes

Yi and Luc look like they are posing for some sick action movie

XenomancersDec 30, 20155 votes

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Yi and Luc look like they are posing for some sick action movie

This is why I placed them in this order ofc!

SH AzykanDec 30, 20155 votes

Aatrox misses this item more than udyr...it was so good on him q_q

Rook LouxDec 31, 20152 votes

tru. always was a core for my full AS Aatrox build. item 3070 rip

YaskamasandwichDec 30, 20153 votes

I believe it was removed for the intetion of making Mercury Treads the only tenacity item. Never heard Riot's announcement on something like that. Just guessing with their history with other tenacity items like Spirit of the Golem before Cinderhulk.

ZT XperimentorDec 30, 20153 votes

Too bad they removed the spirit of the golem, then nerfed cinderhulk & mercury treads; seriously the mercury treads are next to useless for tanks now.

Pierce The VealDec 30, 20153 votes

The problem was zephyr gave too little AD to be worth going for. I think it would have been fair to make it BF sword+stinger for the same stats but like 50-60 AD. Of course the price would be more expensive to compensate. But the whole issue with it was that in comparison to the other AD items, its stats were nowhere near as multiplicative. It provided some defense (against cc) some attack speed, some ad, some mobility. Having more AD and going up slightly in cost is only fair I think.

HåppyDec 31, 20152 votes

That's why I say it was a niche item, it didn't offer much in lieu of other AD items, but it wasn't meant to be a pure offensive item. It was for fighters, for people who lacked gapclosers, and for boot replacements. You never built it first, but that's the same for many items. I refer to my Ohmwrecker shoutout again, in that it's one of your last items, but that doesn't mean it needs deletion. Or maybe it does? Zephyr offered tenacity and movement speed which "heralds back to the olaf/irelia days", but Ohmwrecker allows for free tower dives. That isn't really fair, pls delete.

Pierce The VealJan 1, 20161 votes

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That's why I say it was a niche item, it didn't offer much in lieu of other AD items, but it wasn't meant to be a pure offensive item. It was for fighters, for people who lacked gapclosers, and for boot replacements. You never built it first, but that's the same for many items. I refer to my Ohmwrecker shoutout again, in that it's one of your last items, but that doesn't mean it needs deletion. Or maybe it does? Zephyr offered tenacity and movement speed which "heralds back to the olaf/irelia days", but Ohmwrecker allows for free tower dives. That isn't really fair, pls delete.

Pretty much.

And the truth is it was never a bad item, and it wouldn't have been a strong item even if it had 60 AD. It would have merely been a viable item to build.

We have AD crit, crit AS, AP AS, lifesteal AS (on hit with basically no AD) hybrid AS, MR AS, jungle AS onhit, yet we can't have AD AS?

FostXTVDec 31, 20153 votes

Udyr mains unite! As Godyr I would go Devourer - Boots of Switness - Zephyr - Dead Man Plate - Frozen Heart - Trinity Force = Godyr

#BringZephyrBack!

kaltenashesDec 30, 20152 votes

riot said something like this item was never bought, in no situation people would prefer this item over any other

Yosuke ApperuDec 30, 20152 votes

I can't hear Riot over my purchasing of six ohmwreckers XD Jk Riot you silly. :P

ZT XperimentorDec 30, 20156 votes

Which makes them ignorant liars, I always got it over the phantom dancer, but I also didn't have much trouble with running around minions.

kaltenashesDec 30, 20153 votes

Riot's true words statement about all items removed in patch 5.22

While not all of the below items were unsuccessful in the way you might expect, many were often restrictive, incomplete, or otherwise not very well supported, limiting design spaces for us to work. Others simply weren't worth the effort.

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-522-notes

ZT XperimentorDec 30, 20152 votes

Indeed, however their oversight is that by removing items, they're making build-paths even more stale and limited; when they claim they've been wanting diversity.

kaltenashesDec 30, 20152 votes

well its more diverse, if you want to crit item 3031 , if you want to cast spells item 3508 , if you more range item 3094 , if you want better wave clear item 3087 and so on

ZT XperimentorDec 31, 20153 votes

Problem is, they changed several items to include critical chance; to the point it's near impossible to play a conventional adc without relying on any critical items. Which makes champions like tryndamere & yasou even more abusable since there's no limitation to gate these cases. I mean like how the hydra is melee only kind of limitation, ones that significantly prevent such things from happening, so they don't need to gut items or champions.

FistOfSharkieshaDec 30, 20152 votes

It really sucks trying to get enough damage to not be ignored on certain bruisers. They scale great with AS but obviously they don't give a fuck about crit. Right now you basically have the options of item 3091 which doesn't give enough offensive presence nor ready tankiness because of the stacking MR stealing, or item 3153 which is a piece of shit after it's nerf. Zephyr was the best item to get on champions that scaled well with AS but not crit. AA based champions like Trundle Volibear Udyr Warwick XinZhao would definitely prefer zephyr, and for some of them item 3124 is the only thing keeping them viable, which is ridiculous seeing how a hybrid item is more effective than the AD/AS item without crit that we have right now.

PaladinNODec 31, 20152 votes

Not to mention Irelia

Wait, Zephyr was decent on Irelia, so that must mean the removal of Zephyr was all just a ploy to nerf her!

Tencent, your trick has been revealed! You must now confess, and return Zephyr to us.

Miku Lv99Dec 31, 20152 votes

We really need a tenacity item like Zephyr. All the cc + instakill combo stuff is way out of hand now IMO. We need some sort of item good against it.

And for those saying it's useless, or should never be built on anyone, it was at least a good last item on Master Yi. It could replace his boots and give him more damage and tenacity for a negligible drawback. Just because most champions didn't make good use of it isn't a good enough reason to get rid of it.

PROJECT KatarìnaDec 31, 20152 votes

I took zhephyr on yi like 2nd or 3rd item for sticking potential I loved the item and also felt there was no need for it to be removed it demotes item diversity.

ManiacalCoyoteDec 31, 20152 votes

Damn right! I main Nasus , and I would roll over to Zephyr when it was time to roll up the other team.

TyaldanDec 31, 20152 votes

My poor speed boots zephyr iron potion garen build :< how am i supposed to be a beyblade now!

chipndip1Dec 30, 20151 votes

Zephyr is a shit item, though...

No marksmen used Zephyr consistently. Only a few fighters built it, too. Zephyr had an issue of being a nice item with the wrong stat combo. It's useless, so toss it.

Lazypeon100Dec 30, 201511 votes

That reasoning would hold up, if they gave other items in an even worse state the same treatment, yet they didn't.

chipndip1Dec 30, 20151 votes

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That reasoning would hold up, if they gave other items in an even worse state the same treatment, yet they didn't.

Twin Shadows, perhaps?

Lazypeon100Dec 30, 20158 votes

The active was moved to the support item, which is now having problems for being over used in the midlane.

chipndip1Dec 31, 20151 votes

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The active was moved to the support item, which is now having problems for being over used in the midlane.

Twin Shadows is still gone, regardless. AP, CDR, and speed didn't really mix when it was only 80 ap and 10% cdr.

Lazypeon100Dec 31, 20156 votes

Erm.. Yes? I know it's gone. I'm not sure what you're getting at? Zephyr was removed because it supposedly wasn't built often enough, as was twin shadows. The effect for twin shadows (the most important part to that item) was moved to the support item which is really freaking strong now, while the niche Zephyr filled still isn't filled.

Also items like item 3056 , item 3512 item 3091 item 3043 still exist. They are all weak items (with exception to wits end on people like udyr) in almost every case, and they don't exactly serve their intended function. Their build rate is also low. So how come Zephyr was completely removed if other rarely built (and often trap) items still exist?

That's my problem with it. No one had to build Zephyr (you brought that up in another post I see) which is true. But it was a nice alternative to have. Maybe you wanted the tenacity. Maybe you just wanted more damage instead of boots. It was an option that players had at the end of the game that was removed, yet even more glaring cases were left to stay with no changes made even though they desperately need them.

chipndip1Dec 31, 20151 votes

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Erm.. Yes? I know it's gone. I'm not sure what you're getting at? Zephyr was removed because it supposedly wasn't built often enough, as was twin shadows. The effect for twin shadows (the most important part to that item) was moved to the support item which is really freaking strong now, while the niche Zephyr filled still isn't filled.

Also items like , still exist. They are all weak items (with exception to wits end on people like udyr) in almost every case, and they don't exactly serve their intended function. Their build rate is also low. So how come Zephyr was completely removed if other rarely built (and often trap) items still exist?

That's my problem with it. No one had to build Zephyr (you brought that up in another post I see) which is true. But it was a nice alternative to have. Maybe you wanted the tenacity. Maybe you just wanted more damage instead of boots. It was an option that players had at the end of the game that was removed, yet even more glaring cases were left to stay with no changes made even though they desperately need them.

What was Zephyr's niche though? NO ONE in their right minds would consider not having boots an idea that should be even relatively common. The reason why TS's active was moved was because the active was good, and had a purpose, but the combination of stats from the item itself didn't. Thus, they removed the item and moved the active to another item where its place in the game was already carved out, but its active was lack-luster in comparison to the other actives. They then dumped that active from the game entirely.

Zephyr has no active, and to boot, its stat combination is part caster with cdr, part standard adc with 50% attack speed and 25 attack, and part fighter/juggernaut with 10% movement speed. The combination of stats that made the item were rubbish, and the item as a whole didn't accomplish anything that any other item couldn't accomplish:

Wanna stick to people? Frozen Mallet or Furor enchants or both
Attack speed? Crit items
Damage? You have a ton of options for both fighter and glass builds

The ONLY thing it had was tenacity, but that's not enough to justify the item's existence. What they should do is just make a new item with tenacity and make sure its stat combination favors tanks and juggernauts.

Lazypeon100Dec 31, 20154 votes

My main problem, which is what my original post and other posts were mainly about, was the reasoning behind the removal. Riot claimed it was because it wasn't built often enough, even though it had a higher build rate than a couple other items that are still around.

I'm not disagreeing that the stats were wonky. I haven't argued against that. It did have the niche of being one of the only damage items in the game to have tenacity, as well as movement speed meaning some people chose to have that end game over boots. They could have gave it an effect, or changed the stats around. They did that with plenty of other items, including the mentioned removal of Twin Shadows and the merging into the support item.

Their reasoning wasn't because it was a shit item. They stated it was because it wasn't built enough. So why are items like Ohmwrecker still around, even though almost no one builds it? That's my problem with the removal. They didn't even change the lesser built items!

Does that not at least seem hypocritical to you?

TyaldanDec 31, 20152 votes

Id argue that its BETTER than boots IF you had a movespeed booster on yourself, because it was % movespeed. if you had a flat movespeed booster like mf, or a huge boost like yi, you might end up higher using zephyr than you did with boots. But mostly i used it for tenacity on champs that were vunlerable to slows in particular, like garen darius singed. Then you could pick up boots of swifty for the extra slow reduciton, zephyr for the tenacity, and an iron potion to top it off. you would never be ccd for more than a second unless they stacked it on you.

Ronan SamuraiDec 30, 20156 votes

item 3056 ? Zephyr gave 10% movement speed, 20% cdr, some ad, and TENACITY. When I went full ad movement speed this item is a necessity. When I locked in my full ad darius, I was saddened that Zephyr was removed, was slow asf, no attack speed, no ez cdr, and no being resistance to 5 man cc teams.

chipndip1Dec 31, 20151 votes

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? Zephyr gave 10% movement speed, 20% cdr, some ad, and TENACITY. When I went full ad movement speed this item is a necessity. When I locked in my full ad darius, I was saddened that Zephyr was removed, was slow asf, no attack speed, no ez cdr, and no being resistance to 5 man cc teams.

Please stop. No one NEEDED Zephyr, ever. In any build, ever, there was always a better item to have than Zephyr. It's designed for squishy marksmen, but gives a combo of stats that's confused between casters and the standard. The thing was less of a good buy than Frozen Mallet was.

I mean, with a Mallet, you just auto and bam, there is no kiting you.

101100111000Dec 31, 20153 votes

You don't need a lot of these items though. Who needs Ohmwrecker, really? And what about ZZ'rot Portal? You can't give me an argument for removing an item that logically applies to other items that haven't been removed.

VeltoxDec 31, 20152 votes

ZZ'rot and ohmwrecker are amazing on Singed

101100111000Jan 1, 20161 votes

I've literally never seen a Singed player ever build that. At least, not consistently. Maybe once in a while to fuck around, but at that point they're either so far ahead that they can afford it or so far behind they don't give a fuck.

VeltoxJan 1, 20161 votes

with singed you almost dont give a fk if you die if you murdered all their minions and if you push well you force them to either go for u while your team grabs objectives or taking a turret if they ignore u

chipndip1Dec 31, 20152 votes

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You don't need a lot of these items though. Who needs Ohmwrecker, really? And what about ZZ'rot Portal? You can't give me an argument for removing an item that logically applies to other items that haven't been removed.

Except ZZ'rot is like Banner of Command for tanks and tank supports and has a niche.

Ohmwrecker has a niche, but the niche isn't that "useful". I can still expect that thing to be removed at one point or another to be perfectly honest.

FistOfSharkieshaDec 31, 20155 votes

You're missing the point. It's not a marksmen item and it's fine that only a few fighters built it. Marksmen stack crit, AD casters stack AD, the on-hit or AA based fighters lack any good itemization.

chipndip1Dec 31, 20152 votes

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You're missing the point. It's not a marksmen item and it's fine that only a few fighters built it. Marksmen stack crit, AD casters stack AD, the on-hit or AA based fighters lack any good itemization.

it only gave 25 ad and a whopping 50% attack speed. The item was confused.

TyaldanDec 31, 20152 votes

i can think of a few champs that would love another 50% attack speed item. Anyone that doesnt want nashors, kogmaw who would use it in place of nashors for an ad build, ap kogmaw who would use it with nashors. etc etc.

ManiacalCoyoteDec 31, 20152 votes

I only have one good item for Nasus now, item 3078 .

I need a build to get 45% CDR, high speed, and obscene damage output. Zephyr helped a metric f*ck-ton.

Lithium RosaDec 30, 20151 votes

they just like deleting random stuffs without reason....... these smartass designers, or balance team, whoever, made changes for season6, was trying to be a smartass. I always think deleting a item for "rarely purchased" is ridiculous, the only reason you should delete an item is that it's completely broken and impossible to balance. Like what's the good of deleting mana potion? Let's say, if this item is "rarely purchased", then maybe only 5% of the league players liked this item, while 95% of the players don't care. And you deleted it, then what did you get? You annoyed that 5%, at the same time NO YOU DIDN'T PLEASE THE OTHER 95% YOU SMARTASS, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CARE, YOU ANNOYED 5% OF YOUR PLAYERS FOR LITERALLY NOTHING. The same goes with Zephyr. On the other hand, an interesting-look-but-broken item, i.e rageblade, may please 50% of the players while DEEPLY ANNOYED THE OTHER 50%, you still didn't gain anything from it except for the impression that this season is broken, because both sides of the players know this.

TD;LR: Stop deleting items, that didn't gain you anything, and why isn't rageblade nerfed to a balanced level already it's been two whole monthes.

PickleBabahDec 31, 20152 votes

I agree with your point of view and your ideas, but it was barbarically worded.