In that it took like... 3 seconds to hit you, and traveled extremely slow, but instead of making it easily counterable, it should deal damage no matter what, IE through Zhonya's Fizz's troll pole, everything. This would give the enemy some time to make their move before they (probably) die.
Nahui3 votesWell then there's no counterplay. I don't see how this is remotely balanced? Especially with his stun, he'll easily land it. Only option is try and burst him down before the 3 seconds are up. Basically like saying "Counterplay to Zed is to try and shred him before his ult goes off."
AsphodelNext1 votesExcept that Zed is a highly mobile assassin with an escape, and Veigar is an immobile mage. So one is much easier to shred than the other.
The other thing is that for like 70% of champions, this won't make a difference since they don't have a way to dodge Veigar's ult anyway. In fact, it actually helps since you get to live for 3 more seconds.
Nahui2 votesExcept there was counterplay like Banshees Veil, Zhonyas, certain spells/spellshields. He said literally have it go through everything. That's unbalanced. It can't be legitimized. Even in the case of Zed, it's a ridiculous request. You have 3 seconds to kill or your dead no matter what. Especially with Zhonyas. Veigar would just stun, ult, zhonyas. There is 0 counterplay in that.
AsphodelNext1 votesIt's a tradeoff in counterplay that gives more counterplay to champs who currently have no counterplay to Veigar's ult.
Like, if you're not someone who can build Zhonya's, Fizz, or Vladimir, you get the chance to live for 3 more seconds and maybe lifesteal your way back or simply deal your damage before you die. Whereas right now, you don't even get 3 seconds, and you always die to the Veigar ult anyway.
Also, Banshee's doesn't matter as a counter to the ult since it'll block Veigar's Q instead of his ult. Like, it still counters Veigar; it just doesn't block the ult. So it doesn't matter that the ult goes through Banshees.
Nahui1 votesThis means he can first cast R instead of being forced to use another spell.
He could kill any carry he pleases. He just hits R, and they will die. Currently there are ways to prevent that. You do realize how this would completely break Veigar, right? An unavoidable, 2k d+ dmg nuke that just takes some time to reach you.
AsphodelNext1 votesBut if you are one of the many Champs who don't have a way to block his ult, what stops him from nuking you with 2k+ damage right now?
To most champs, it is currently an unavoidable, 2k+ damage nuke that travels to you pretty much instantly.
Especially to ADCs, the most vulnerable champion type and the one Veigar is most likely to burst. Only ADC who can block it is Sivir, the rest just die. And no ADC is building Zhonyas...
Like, at worst, this nerfs Fizz, Vladimir, Sivir, Nocturne, Lissandra, Master Yi, and Zhonyas Hourglass, while buffing every other champ in the game.
Nahui1 votesNot all champions have perfect counterplay, but there still is some. Spell shields, maw, zhonyas, banshees, troll pole, zed ult, alpha strike, Rappel, etc. It would be a spell with no existing counterplay in the game. Right now there are ways to stop his ult. Not perfect, but there are ways. In this buff, he'd just cast it at the beginning and proceed to delete anyone he pleased with no thought.
Shonjl1 votesI actually would like this since as it is, Viegar only cast it when it will kill you and you can't avoid it, this gives a chance to avoid but deals the same damage.
Viegar is squishy and not likely to build tanky, since it would mean he has less damage to work with since Q farming only goes so far. Having 3-5 seconds to blow him up to avoid it seems like a nice new touch to a game that tries to be diverse.
Hell if you can't manage to kill him, it gives you time to back up and use any shields, healing, yada yada to take the hit and escape.
