now that rengar has been gutted,

LF Annie·Feb 5, 2016·3 votes·461 views

when is and gut knife coming?

17 Comments

TroiannFeb 5, 20162 votes

What are your grounds for wanting to nerf lee sin?

I thoroughly enjoy zed and think he's a little too strong so I can understand that. But Lee Sin is fine.

LF AnnieFeb 5, 20161 votes

his movement speed. base 350 with 2 dashes that can move him across the screen is excessive movement. idc about anything else about lee than his base MS. it should not be one of the highest in the game with the amount of mobility his kit provides.

TroiannFeb 5, 20161 votes

I know he's frustrating but he doesn't warrant nerfs. I get pissed off at lee sin too. But I can't say he's broken.

LF AnnieFeb 5, 20161 votes

his numbers are fine, but if i cant outrun him without him using any of his mobility, how should i be expected to outplay him with it?

TroiannFeb 5, 20161 votes

Honestly I can't say. I've never had that problem with lee sin. Most of the time lee sins who miss their mobility spells are just bad and later on just become useless.

The other option would be to pick a mobile champ with escapes, or someone who can just soak up his damage mid to late.

LF AnnieFeb 5, 20161 votes

i'm not going to argue about counterpick choices, because my problem with him is in blind pick, where someone can just walk up on me to hit everything because he doesn't have to land stuff from a distance, and my char has 30 less base MS than him.

CalabokFeb 5, 20162 votes

It's hard to not carry with Lee Sin unless you have tofu for brains

PixTronFeb 5, 20162 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M - Reaction to Rengar's Nerf.

LF AnnieFeb 5, 20161 votes

cant upvote enough.

NahuiFeb 5, 20161 votes

Zed doesn't quite deserve nerfs, but Riot promised he will be nerfed with Drekthar coming out, but that isn't a "victory" for those wanting him nerfed because he'll be nerfed in a way that keeps him exactly where he is now. He will receive more execute damage, so most likely they'll take damage from his passive or something.

LF AnnieFeb 5, 20161 votes

i want zed's MS reduced by 5% with the new item coming out, but riot wont and he'll be roaming faster than ever.

NahuiFeb 5, 20161 votes

Do you honestly believe reducing his MS by 5% (too high) will suddenly turn the tides of every game and you'll get less wrecked? He'll still do about the same, just get to the enemy lane maybe a few seconds slower.

5% btw is 17.25. They're not gutting his MS by 15 or 20, however you feel like rounding. He's an assassin, not an ADC. He is supposed to be fast. That's what happens when your kit has almost no way of mitigating damage and when you're melee.

LF AnnieFeb 5, 20161 votes

honestly, i would rather they just gave a different stat to the new item than MS, its unnecessary, and zeds MS was one of the things riot nerfed the last time he had to be handled.

NahuiFeb 5, 20161 votes

Forgot Drekthar gave movement speed, was about to say your 5% seemed random.

Like I said, they'll probably reduce his damage. I'd imagine that's more crucial with the new Nightfall than him moving a tiny bit faster.

LF AnnieFeb 5, 20161 votes

im a support main, i have a hard time peeling him with his crrnt ms when my adc doesnt listen to my pings about him coming, the new item is just going to be cancer on him.

Sèx Craved EveFeb 5, 20161 votes

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im a support main, i have a hard time peeling him with his crrnt ms when my adc doesnt listen to my pings about him coming, the new item is just going to be cancer on him.

So, the problem is your adc not lee sin?

LF AnnieFeb 5, 20161 votes

its possible, but it happens alot in soloQ. like more than any other champ zed roams bot.