Ivern counterjungle counterplay?
I think it's fucking ridiculous that I warded my red, but he walks up, takes some damage from me when I come to stop him, smites my red and gets away with it anyway. And comes back every 5 mins, and takes it with me there but unable to stop him anyway.
At least with Nunu or any other counterjungler, it could be a smite contest that he is just more likely to win. With this guy, a full hp red buff just goes poof in 2 seconds, no counterplay to that at all. Either make it that taking champ damage delays the grove spawn for enemy camps, or camps being damaged by enemy champs cannot be grown and have to be smited like normal.