...and not representative of the average player base.
Riot sends out surveys to more representative feedback from all players (instead of us angry ones on the boards). I think this is a good idea.
My question: Do these Riot survey responses say that players think the amount of burst, mobility, and overloaded kits are OK? Does Riot think the current amount of burst, mobility, and new kits are OK?
DalekZec6 votesThe bigger question is, will riot do anything even if 99% of the playerbase say that the amount of burst, mobility and overloaded kit are not okay?
Bonus question: what the hell is preventing them from taking action regardless of feedback?
Even without boards, there will still be angry players. I mean, given how much problems this game has, isn't complaining the reasonable thing to do? And when getting ignored, isn't getting angry about it the reasonable thing to do? It's basic response and psychological shit.
chipndip12 votesThe bigger question is, will riot do anything even if 99% of the playerbase say that the amount of burst, mobility and overloaded kit are not okay?
Yes
Bonus question: what the hell is preventing them from taking action regardless of feedback?
Not being stupid, for one...because doing that would be stupid.
DalekZec2 votesYes
Not being stupid, for one...because doing that would be stupid.
So they would take action if 99% players say there's to much burst, mobility and overloaded kit. BUT Taking that necessary action would be...stupid?
Seriously? What the fuck did I just read from your comment? Okay then. If a shit ton of customers who's majority say something is bad, taking action would be stupid of me and I shouldn't be stupid. Okay got it. New lesson learned about business and service and stuff.
chipndip11 votesSo they would take action if 99% players say there's to much burst, mobility and overloaded kit.
99% of players aren't saying that. THE BOARDS are saying that.
DalekZec1 votes99% of players aren't saying that. THE BOARDS are saying that.
I seriously doubt the problems being said here, are not also being mentioned elsewhere besides boards. I'm talking in general, not just boards.
chipndip12 votesI seriously doubt the problems being said here, are not also being mentioned elsewhere besides boards. I'm talking in general, not just boards.
Unless you want to find out what 99% of the entire game's population thinks about the game, don't make broad claims about what 99% of the game's population thinks about the game based on some whiny circle jerk on a forum infamous for whiny circle jerks.
DalekZec1 votesUnless you want to find out what 99% of the entire game's population thinks about the game, don't make broad claims about what 99% of the game's population thinks about the game based on some whiny circle jerk on a forum infamous for whiny circle jerks.
Yeah sure. Everybody loves little to no counterplay damage bursts that's faster than your own human reflexes. Mmm I love it! It's our dream! Counterplay and fairness is sooooo toxic!
If something that's not healthy for the game exists, why would anybody accept it? Except for maybe those who main the unhealthy shit?
Jesus, you're one of those people who accepts everything whether if it's toxic or not, aren't you?
chipndip11 votesYeah sure. Everybody loves little to no counterplay damage bursts that's faster than your own human reflexes. Mmm I love it! It's our dream! Counterplay and fairness is sooooo toxic!
You're literally just ranting at this point. Very few champions do what you describe as a default.
DalekZec1 votesYou're literally just ranting at this point. Very few champions do what you describe as a default.
"few" Yeah sure. "few" [zombie-brand-clap]
chipndip11 votes"few" Yeah sure. "few" [zombie-brand-clap]
Yes...few. You aren't making a point. You're just whining. If that's all you're up for, I'll kindly end this here.
DalekZec1 votesYes...few. You aren't making a point. You're just whining. If that's all you're up for, I'll kindly end this here.
I have my reasons on what to complain about. I'm pretty sure you have yours. We all do anyway.
What's funny is, I was pretty much saying "cool story bro, I'm out" but i'll let you cut out the convo.
GatekeeperTDS5 votesRiot Says the Boards are a Loud Angry Vocal Minority...
Please provide the direct quote or link where Riot has said this. Companies generally do not blatantly insult their player base. They may have said things like the Forums and Reddit are a MINORITY, but they did not preface that with "loud and angry."
Zullar6 votes"The Boards community though is a tiny fraction of even the english speaking part of the playerbase, let alone the global playerbase. Opinions here are also pretty non representative relative to what we see from survey data (things like strong preferences for specific less popular champions, more interest in narrative overall, low engagement with ESports and strong negativity towards it etc)."
You also have dev's from other games that seem to have a similar mindset. https://twitter.com/WrelPlays/status/1178700507029704704
And it's very apparent they aren't listening to feedback on the boards. Burst and mobility is at a level it's never been and many are upset about it. Then they continue to buff damage and release champions like Akali or Pyke.
GatekeeperTDS3 votesSo basically, Riot never said that the boards were a "Loud, Angry, Vocal Minority?"
KVbqbFsC8e4 votesThere was also a tweet from a Rioter earlier this year. The tweet itself was deleted, but you can see it in this thread:
Its not exactly a secret that the Boards are held in very low regard. You may not be able to find a direct quote of Riot stating the Boards are "Loud, Angry, Vocal Minority", but Rioters have made some statements over the years that generally say that.
GatekeeperTDS4 votesSo...we're going to dig up a 10 month old tweet from someone who did not have the authority to speak on behalf of the entire company, and had the tweet removed?
rujitra2 votesYou literally....
They literally just said the surveys are not consistent with the minority on the boards..
thefatlazycat1 votesPlease provide the direct quote or link where Riot has said this. Companies generally do not blatantly insult their player base. They may have said things like the Forums and Reddit are a MINORITY, but they did not preface that with "loud and angry."
do you know who Wilk Lucznic or whatever their last name was?
rujitra1 votesI agree with you that sources are important... but I’m not sure loud and vocal is an insult. It’s merely a characterization. Being loud or vocal isn’t inherently bad.
boricCentaur14 votesGoing by the fact I have seen 0 people complain about any of those things in my games I'm going to say probably not. Like riot wanted bot lane to be more diverse but players hated that and the changes got reverted showing riot does listen to players.
Like the things you listed are not actually things those are just bs things people say because they can't come up with a actual argument. I can give a argument to why akali is balance problem but none of that argument would be me saying too much mobility, burst or her being overloaded since that is just silly.
The boards are a minority and they wrong so many times like nasus when he got buffed people got mad and every post about him being op got upvoted to hell and the ones saying he is bad got downvoted and look now nasus is shit with 0 nerfs to him.
Zullar2 votesMaybe you don't abuse burst champs then.
I know my friends get frustrated. 3 of 8 of my regular friends quit this season. I know I've had many people complain. One game guy is like "I died from 100% HP in 0.4sec" and another game guy is like or "I bought 3 defensive items and still got 1 shot there's no counterplay". All I can say is back is "S9..."
Two questions for you 1: Do you think the level of damage this season is higher than it's been? 2: Do you think this is good for the game?
I picked up a bursty champion. 70% win rate across 103 games. Anybody that doesn't build full tank gets 1shot. Just had a game with 27 kills and only 1 assist. It was fun for a while but I really wish league would go back to the way it was.
boricCentaur12 votesMaybe you don't abuse burst champs then.
I know my friends get frustrated. 3 of 8 of my regular friends quit this season. I know I've had many people complain. One game guy is like "I died from 100% HP in 0.4sec" and another game guy is like or "I bought 3 defensive items and still got 1 shot there's no counterplay". All I can say is back is "S9..."
Two questions for you 1: Do you think the level of damage this season is higher than it's been? 2: Do you think this is good for the game?
I picked up a bursty champion. 70% win rate across 103 games. Anybody that doesn't build full tank gets 1shot. Just had a game with 27 kills and only 1 assist. It was fun for a while but I really wish league would go back to the way it was.
Damage is not high and stop lying to yourself that it is. If damage was high game time would be low but it's not, also season 8 had higher damage,the assassin meta of 7 had higher damage and every meta with kog in it had higher damage because of fucking op he is when good.
Also do you actually play the game since tanks never get anywhere close to one shot unless someone is fed.
Also the most hate I got this season was playing karthus and I stopped he is more bs then any champion riot has released in the last two seasons.
Like if those things were problems for the majority of people riot would of fixed them and I proven that with the adc changes.
WoonStruck1 votesGee, its almost like the amount of mobility and 60%+ slows being added to the game makes him nearly non-viable before even considering all of the low interaction champions that you auto-lose in melee vs pre-6 that you must face in lane.
That doesn't change that he's a stat check that forces you to stat check him if you have low mobility, and that Riot keeps making him stat check harder earlier while also scaling harder.
If the game ever slows down at all nasus will be at the top of the food chain.
boricCentaur12 votesGee, its almost like the amount of mobility and 60%+ slows being added to the game makes him nearly non-viable before even considering all of the low interaction champions that you auto-lose in melee vs pre-6 that you must face in lane.
That doesn't change that he's a stat check that forces you to stat check him if you have low mobility, and that Riot keeps making him stat check harder earlier while also scaling harder.
If the game ever slows down at all nasus will be at the top of the food chain.
Ummmm no nasus sucks he doesn't do anything, there are champions that scale better then him Fiora, and he gets loses to every champion that can kite.
Juice3 votesBoards is a small angry minority of low elo players who complain about Tryn, Jax, damage, towers being too weak and the game being too hard to play.
Majority of players are also ARAM only players scared to even have over 20-30 games in ranked.
Why would Riot listen to boards?
RekSai CoffeeCo3 votesMajority of players are also ARAM only players scared to even have over 20-30 games in ranked.
Scared no, worth playing SR? NO. Bring ranked to a non sr, tft mode and sure ill play ranked.
preternatural1 votesBoards is a small angry minority of low elo players who complain about Tryn, Jax, damage, towers being too weak and the game being too hard to play.
Majority of players are also ARAM only players scared to even have over 20-30 games in ranked.
Why would Riot listen to boards?
exactly
Pika Fox2 votesWay to load your question. Kits arent "overloaded"; even annie has the same power as a jhin in her kit. Jhin may be more complex, but hes not "overloaded". (hell, half of his passive notes how hard he is nerfed to make room for his power and differentiate his playstyle)
ZephyrDrake2 votesThe boards is a vocal minority. Go to reddit and twitter or any other place where riot interacts and look at how many likes/upvotes and how many different people comment in those areas and then compare it to this place. Anyone who even thinks that boards represent the majority of the playerbase is delusional at best.
You also want to know why "damage is too high"? Because nobody here cares about building defenses. "But resistances suck because look at how much you can reduce armor with this incredibly specific teamcomp" ok? So you dying to that zed for the billionth time sure is because resistances suck and not because you decided that armor is pointless and build next to none "but look! I had armor items and still died proof!" Yeah proof that a 4 item champion that is fed can take down a champion with 2 (or less) items. These are COMMON things that people here love spewing around.
Let's also not forget how every single time that the community asks something if it suddenly turns into a negative thing it instantly becomes the "but nobody wanted this rito!" game or how people blatantly ignore all the times that riot has done literally everything that the community asked for but nah, it's better to just say that they never listen and that somehow people with no experience or actual knowledge of how to properly balance the game know more than those who are actually balancing the game.
Boards is a vocal MINORITY whether you like it or not is irrelevant.
mack91122 votesThe issue about this board is that you look at the discussion history of people like the OP of this very post and it is just year after year after year of them moaning how the game is garbage and riot sucks or how there is too much damage or how x champion is broken.
There is no rational discussion with those people.
Inkling Commando1 votesRiot Says the Boards are a Loud Angry Vocal Minority...
this is the part where we go "and?"
Poop Jelly1 votesI think Board is a loud angry vocal minority and I'm sometimes in it :D
The thigh guy1 votesFairly certain the ONLY people happy with the amount of burst in the game are the assassin mains.
7thHeaven2 votesWith 1 condition, assassin vs 0 def enemies.
The thigh guy1 votesWith 1 condition, assassin vs 0 def enemies.
Good thing that’s every game. Cause tank stats don’t work.
7thHeaven1 votesBut i enjoy tank 
Illabethe1 votesEven they aren't because they know without Electrocute proccing, they generally end up about 20-100 HP short of their assassinations (early game anyways, which would drastically affect their snowballs)
5050BS1 votesRiot says a lot of things. Does not make it truth. The Boards are where the vast majority of the players are at. The Pros are not. Riot only cares about what Pros say and ignore everyone else. That is why they say the boards are "not representative of the average player base". They define the "average player base" as Pros only.
ZephyrDrake2 votesRiot says a lot of things. Does not make it truth. The Boards are where the vast majority of the players are at. The Pros are not. Riot only cares about what Pros say and ignore everyone else. That is why they say the boards are "not representative of the average player base". They define the "average player base" as Pros only.
wow... that is why so many threads get to 50+ upvotes right? "boards are where the majority of players are at" yeah, go to reddit and twitter and say that again with any semblance of seriousness. Or you can keep being delusional that also works