All these changes while Shen sits in the dumpster.

MkShenGreatAgain·Nov 1, 2016·20 votes·1,962 views

He's starting to get comfortable in there right next to Aatrox.

I know this sites from these sites aren't infallible, but for him to be at the bottom of almost every category on most sites is ridiculous. http://champion.gg/

Winrate, Last.
Overall role performance: Second to last, behind Xin Zhao, who's a jungler.
Gold earned: Last.
Kills: Last.
Damage dealt: Last.

However he's second and first when it comes to deaths and assists, WOW IS THAT EXCITING. You might not win, do any damage or get any gold, but at least you're not dying! Not to mention a sweet piece of that KILL PARTICIPATION PIE.

This actually has to be a joke.

65 Comments

Ruin LanceNov 1, 20168 votes

pretty sad that shen got gutted for world's. still waiting on vlad to be revived too :^[

MkShenGreatAgainNov 1, 20164 votes

What I don't get is now that worlds is over (since they apparently didn't want to see him there at all for whatever reason) Why not REBUFF HIM? Why wait so long? The timing of the nerf was so obvious, they can't hide the intent. So just fix him again.

BigDaddyBarrelsNov 1, 20163 votes

I wish i could find the thread but there was a rioter talking about buffing Shen in decemeber.. [zombie-nunu-tears]

MkShenGreatAgainNov 1, 20163 votes

Ughhhhh but it's November now. It will be worth the wait if their answer isn't simply throwing more damage at him. I'd personally really like to see his sustain come back.

dakota saturnNov 1, 20162 votes

{quoted}

Ughhhhh but it's November now. It will be worth the wait if their answer isn't simply throwing more damage at him. I'd personally really like to see his sustain come back.

Sustain via quick reaction shields = ok. Sustain like he used to have on old q = no.

It's cool to outplay him by baiting his shield and chunking him.

It's not cool to outplay him but then lawl doesnt matter bc he regens it in 20 sec.

MkShenGreatAgainNov 3, 20161 votes

I would agree with you if he was the only top laner with sustain, or if his sustain was massively oppressive. A champion like Vlad or Akali are way harder to outsustain, but are considered somewhat balanced. I think that's been a false equivalency with the view of the old kit for a while now.

Big LincolnNov 2, 20163 votes

I don't play shen but when I tried him post rework it bothered me that his AoE taunt can only follow up with single target Q. maybe if it hit everyone in front of him he would have a little more influence in teamfights?

MkShenGreatAgainNov 3, 20162 votes

There's a lot of things they could do to make his current kit more relevant lol. They're talking about buffing him in December, and if the buffs are bad there's a solid chance of me quitting lmao.

Commit SudokuNov 1, 20168 votes

Kalista has it worse

MkShenGreatAgainNov 1, 20163 votes

Definitely a little worse, but they're certainly in the same category now. And it's a total shame. Picking either one is basically int feeding at this point.

La BarbotteNov 1, 20162 votes

Shen Aatrox Azir Kalista Ivern

best comp confirmed

MkShenGreatAgainNov 3, 20163 votes

Winning a game with that comp should up you an entire ranked point. Even if it's a normal.

ArakadiaNov 2, 20164 votes

Shens not even toxic is the sadder thing.

Pandemic PunchNov 1, 20167 votes

Bring back old Shen

MkShenGreatAgainNov 1, 20163 votes

I really wish that was a possibility. Damnit I miss that guy.

Pandemic PunchNov 1, 20163 votes

Me tooo maaaan! I loved his old Vorpal Blade soooooo much

MkShenGreatAgainNov 2, 20163 votes

That really was such a great and original ability. There's still no ability in the game that provides a mass on-hit heal like that, and I think it was a really interesting mechanic. Rip Vorpal Blade :(

ArakadiaNov 2, 20162 votes

Especially AP Shen. And vorpal blade... Ah I miss it all.

WarlockLawNov 2, 20164 votes

I still don't understand why Shen was reworked in the first place, there are so many others that could use a rework to that degree that have been needing it for longer.

MkShenGreatAgainNov 3, 20162 votes

Rework Shen when Warwick is a walking click-auto ult, and nothing else. Makes sense.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

S0kaXNov 1, 20166 votes

MAKE SHEN GREAT AGAIN

EmollientNut0Nov 1, 20163 votes

MAKE SHEN GREAT AGAIN

EedatNov 1, 20165 votes

But he will have fun getting to know his new friends Azir Kalista and KogMaw on the bench

ArakadiaNov 2, 20164 votes

I want to play him so bad again, but it's hard to spam him like before.

Sir FuzziNov 2, 20164 votes

Statistics aside, what really bothers me about Shen is that he's always been a garbage-ass ninja. The taunt/vorpal combo made more sense than whatever that new kit is. The sword area? The sword at all? An entire two skills that are neither direct CC nor damage... Yes, Shen; Annie cares about not being able to basic you.

She does. And while you're at it, champions with actual stuns and slows probably don't care that you have, what, 15% of their health if you land all three of those hits? Mmm...

It's just that if they spruced his kit with damage he'd feel more like a ninja, but they're so glued to these backwards images of champions. Shen shouldn't be summoning anything to battle, he should be entering the fight and turning the tides with a clever initiate. He should have ways of shedding the damage off for periods of intense focus and his teamplay should probably be in that ult; everything else should be a little more focused on making him good.

Kalista's the same thing, where she's become so reliant on having a composition that makes her ult work well for her. Just to be able to play with the same level of interaction that other champions get naturally. They keep gutting her, because good teamwork makes them shine a little too well. Which is fine, I think, because they're pretty goddamn mediocre as it turns out otherwise.

Shen's so specialized it hurts. He's built and scales like a tank, though, so there's really just nowhere to entirely fit him in. Coupling that with the level of CC literally any class is carrying nowadays and it just feels like he's a bit too stoppable, I think. There's no point at which he can really command a fight with good play; if he can do it, chances are literally any other tank would have had half the trouble and twice the payout. Even Rammus is working with more resources, and two of his skills cancel each other. Yikes.

MkShenGreatAgainNov 2, 20161 votes

The previous kit made sense since he was supposed to be a ninja "As in fast reflexes" and the EaaQ combo before was quick and kinda snapped like a whip. Now you just kind of stand there, and stonewall your opponent until one of you has to waddle back to your original position. It genuinely makes 0 sense to me. Riot themselves said Shen now thematically makes no sense lmao. I'm giving it a 10% chance the Assasin rework doesn't follow this exact same trend. They're making Assasins less bursty. WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

Sir FuzziNov 3, 20161 votes

It happened to Morde too, though, and even Vlad really. Old Vlad felt a bit dated at worst, new Vlad feels like he gets punished for not being at top game 100%-- and for being at top game 100%, he gets to compare.

I don't know, this seems like it started near to the time they got rid of spell vamp. Now a bunch of champions are getting hamfisted 'updates' that just turn their mechanics into twice the play for half the results.

I don't get it, a bunch of champions have got full on reworks and they've turned out beautifully. Their balance is closer to what the game should be. And then these guys get these supposed updates and they feel stiff, archaic and unrewarding to play all of a sudden when they were coming from fundamentally older kits.

I don't know, it just feels like they sort of push content for quantity, not quality, with what these champs end up being.

hhaavviikkNov 2, 20164 votes

they made his kit so boring as well and it doesn't fit him, so he's a ninja carrying around a big ass sword floating in the sky, that sounds something for irelia not a god damn ninja, all you do now is AA because you don't have any targeted abilities making it even more boring, his energy got doubled so they absolutely shat on energy runes for shen, that's 18k IP down the drain

MkShenGreatAgainNov 2, 20164 votes

That's actually a really interesting opinion, and I 200% agree with you. Irelia's literally the floating blade champion, so why does he have this crap to begin with? Something about a giant sword makes you think he would do a lot of damage, but he doesn't. He's literally the lowest damage tank in the game, which is why I thought the 2 small blades made sense. Thematically, stat, and playstyle wise he's all around confused and just bad.

And A Real HieroNov 3, 20163 votes

Give floating sword to Irelia. Give dodgefield to Fiora. Give Q to Irelia too. Give Shen Vorpal blade back. Give Shen Parry. GG ez.

MkShenGreatAgainNov 3, 20162 votes

The autoattack blocking theory is dumb. Just plain dumb. and because of the POTENTIAL damage it can block, it ends up being a massive drain on his kit as a whole. If anything I'd rather have that AOE provide a shield, or a health over time proc. At least if it was the latter he would seem SOMETHING like the champion they originally mangled.

The most underrated part of his old Q was how great taking Dragons/Barons were with it. Hell, it even provided a really strong leash.

And A Real HieroNov 3, 20163 votes

Old Shen was reliable, Riot doesn´t like reliable.

MkShenGreatAgainNov 3, 20162 votes

I don't think we'll truly know reliable until we see Annie with Courage of the Colossus. You ready for a shit show?

[slayer-jinx-wink]

And A Real HieroNov 3, 20162 votes

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

dakota saturnNov 1, 20163 votes

He's underwhelming because Teleport Shen with his ult is the most frustrating experience in the game.

When he's good, he splits top harder than Tryndamere, but also guarantees a bait in a teamfight, cleans up the proceeding clown fiesta, then teleports back to the lane for an inhib.

If you try to gank him, he just ults an ally and pushes another lane while his team gets objectives.

Either his ult needs some kind of delay between when he activates it and the shield forming (taric ult, new LB passive, etc) so there's less frustration factor when the carry you're about to execute suddenly gets a 1k hp shield out of nowhere, or reduce the global range to an increasing radius a la Ryze ult so he can't have both splitpush and teamfight potential simultaneously. Maybe have a long delay on the shield from far away, and a short delay/instant cast if he's nearby?

Ofc with the above, increase his dmg or cc potential to compensate so he can actually hold his own in lane.

inc downvotes.

MkShenGreatAgainNov 2, 20162 votes

Honestly, there really are parts of that I agree with. If his ult is really that much of a power budget that the rest of his kit HAS to be unreasonably bad then just fucking put a timer on the shield. It gets old pretty damn quick having your main champion feel worthless lol. He definitely needs a damage increase in some capacity, but I'd honestly rather see some more power go in to his other 2 abilities than back in his Q. It's really just kind of a bland free-farming tool in my eyes.

PhairdyNov 2, 20164 votes

Problem is, that's all he's good for.

Shen Just ulted the adc on bot either saved him or got soms assists and TP's back top.

Awesome, now he can't do it for 4 minutes. Shen his whole Idea is revolving around global prescence. And his cooldowns on his ult are already beyond reasonable. Problem is shen is pretty useless since the revamp of the kit. The old shen was stronger imo, even in lane.

dakota saturnNov 2, 20162 votes

{quoted}

Problem is, that's all he's good for.

Shen Just ulted the adc on bot either saved him or got soms assists and TP's back top.

Awesome, now he can't do it for 4 minutes. Shen his whole Idea is revolving around global prescence. And his cooldowns on his ult are already beyond reasonable. Problem is shen is pretty useless since the revamp of the kit. The old shen was stronger imo, even in lane.

Ofc - so they should shift power away from it so he's not such a pisspoor champion when his R is down. His qwe are garbage.

His pre-rework state was undeniably stronger because it encouraged a lot of stale, passive gameplay on the entire map. He had a lot of double-dipping passives with health and power as well. There were entire seasons where he was a perm-ban because of how oppressive he is when he's good. All because of one ability.

EmollientNut0Nov 3, 20161 votes

I'm guessing the factor that makes the ability so overpowered is the shield from the ult landing instantly. Good lord, if that's the issue just fix it already and make the champion better. I'm so tired of my main being complete shit.

And A Real HieroNov 3, 20162 votes

That explains all the Shen complaint threads you see 24/7, oh wait there aren't any. Shen is super team reliant, it doesn't matter how good you are when your team is bad.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 2, 20163 votes

All they had to do is let shen place W in a range of 600.

It's been requested, would add more fun, skill, fix his issue and a lot more time to screw up for shen with a misplaced W.

What does Rito do, not implement it.... Not to mention it was asked for before shen even came live....

THE RlVER KlNGNov 2, 20163 votes

TahmKench top has it almost as bad. Ever since they dumpstered his shield and mid-game spike in favor of cheesy early on-hit damage he's only useful as a support. I'll play Tahm wherever but I like being a top laner too. That's one of the reasons I was attracted to him on release, was that he could both solo lane and support. I guess it's the Lulu effect.

MkShenGreatAgainNov 2, 20162 votes

Ohhh poor Kenchie. Just another example of a hopelessly overloaded kit that they found impossible to balance yet again. I can't find a source, but I remember reading somewhere in terms of gold value his kit is something like a couple thousand over any other champion. It's unfortunate that he's gone since I think he's probably Riot's best creation.

THE RlVER KlNGNov 2, 20163 votes

Yeah I'd believe that. He's not really overloaded per se it's just Devour eats up so much of his power budget in terms of potential power he has to be kept down. I think he's unique in the regard that his kit actually isn't all that complex or overloaded but he brings too much when strong, if that makes sense.

Yep, we'd agree there. I used to play Shen before his rework but I've largely dropped him. His update hit me like a truck I didn't even see it coming, I liked the way he was. Oh well :(

1 800 Top LaneNov 1, 20162 votes

Not sure what the hell kind of Shen you guys are playing but he is in a good spot right now. He also dominates most top laners.

Stop trying to play shen like a hyper carry and play him as a utility tank as he was intended. You need actual map awareness and situational teamfighting awareness to be effective.

Just because you have to put effort into a champ hardly means they need a buff or in your words "sitting in a dumpster".

You can't just decide to play Shen on a whim top lane and think you can box.

MkShenGreatAgainNov 1, 20162 votes

If you really believe that all of those stats put together are alright because he wins fights against some top laners then I'm not really sure how to respond

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

1 800 Top LaneNov 1, 20161 votes

If you really believe Shen needs the most attention right now then I'm not really sure how to respond.

TheHappyReaperzNov 1, 20161 votes

And why should Shen be worked on if there are champs below him? Aatrox, Kalista, Kog'maw and Azir have "been in the dumpster" for far longer. So, shouldn't they be worked on before turning attention to Shen?

MkShenGreatAgainNov 1, 20164 votes

Because they intentionally nerfed his one damage ability in to the ground, and could come close to fixing it by simply reverting the nerf. That, and they nerfed him specifically because for whatever reason they didn't want to see him in worlds.

And A Real HieroNov 3, 20163 votes

The whole rework was a big nerf in disguise.