BS Resourceless Champions

Croanin··8 votes·1,213 views

Yasuo Riven Renekton

Really getting sick them. Primarily a problem in the top lane where a lot of trading goes down. Bot lane everyone uses mana and has to manage it or will go oom eventually thus lose their combat ability. These three have far too much mobility and out play potential not be gated within their kits. Most annoying is all 3 are capable of poking you under turret while you try to farm then dash on out.

Riven The biggest culprit of all them. I'm utterly baffled at how this chick is allowed to hop around lane with absolutely no resource to manage but her CDs. She has a knock up, a stun and a shield. Two forms of hard CC none on an ultimate CD, I think only 5 champions have that luxury...and their all tanks. At least they nerfed the absurdly low CD on her ult.

Yasuo Similar to Riven, just not as dangerous early on. His Flow bar is an utter joke. It's essentially just a CD for his shield. It's far more annoying to deal with top lane since many bruisers and tanks can't just simply slap it off with a ranged attack. He can dash as long as he has targets since it has no CD.

Renekton Really just an honorable mention, and the least BS of the three. He does actually have a Fury bar to manage, and as an opponent you can play around him when his Fury is low. Also possible to zone him from minions to gain Fury. His status as a lane bully does make that hard though. He also doesn't scale into a killing machine that can 1v4 like the other two.

**Now there are a bunch or top laners that don't use energy or mana but there there is either some sort of trade off or their kits are just bland. **

Garen Shyvana Garen has no resource and Shyvana's Fury bar is "lol" but these two have very little outplay potential they just run at you, or leap once in the case of Shyv.

Tryndamere Uses Fury, damage is almost purely auto attack based. Also you can zone him from minions to deny Fury which makes him very weak.

DrMundo Vladimir Aatrox All three of these guys use their HP for their abilities. This makes both Mundo and Vlad rather weak early on and vulnerable to being bullied before they can sustain themselves since their also eating themselves away. Aatrox is an odd case since he can sustain so heavily very early on. However both Aatrox and Vlad can be zoned from minions so they can't regen. Also all three are extremely straightforward with low outplay potential.

Rengar Rengar is kind of BS mostly due to his sustain. But his out play potential in the top lane though comes from whether your dumb enough to play around the brushes against him. It is possible to force him to a spot though where he has use his bola from range just to gain Ferocity though. He can't harass you and jump right out like the other I listed.

Gnar One of the most annoying top laners to deal with. But his Gnar Bar is something that has to be managed in terms of what form he will be entering. Hell sometimes I'm glad he goes Mega because it means I can farm under turret w/o having to dodge freakin boomerangs. It can screw him to enter the wrong form at the wrong time.

My point is champions like Riven and Yasuo have way too much in their kits to not have any resource gating them from access to all their abilities. At a high level it's extremely frustrating to deal with because players that have a high degree of skill on these champions take up a lot of resources to deal with. Only for you to have to recall at some point because "crap I'm outta mana." I have no problem with how load their kits are but how they are allowed to freely access that load.

Say what you want about Fiora LeeSin Zed Fizz Irelia despite their high outplay potential they are gated by a resource they have come up short on kills or died because they ran out of mana/energy.

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Mael bro4 votes

Say what you want about Fiora LeeSin Zed Fizz Irelia despite their high outplay potential they are gated by a resource they have come up short on kills or died because they ran out of mana/energy.

despite their high outplay potential

*sees a picture of Fiora and Irelia *

laughs

If these chicks are considered to be put in an outplay champion category, then let's also include these guysKassadin Khazix JarvanIV Talon Jax . No, i don't think possessing a point and click gap closer makes a champ "outplay potential'

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Yasuo Similar to Riven, just not as dangerous early on. His Flow bar is an utter joke. It's essentially just a CD for his shield. It's far more annoying to deal with top lane since many bruisers and tanks can't just simply slap it off with a ranged attack. He can dash as long as he has targets since it has no CD.

Yasuo is as dangerous as Riven early lvls. And people who get cheesed at lvl 2 are the guys that feed him and then complain about getting shit on Yasuo by not knowing how to play that matchup. Hey, i don't defend him, but he's always been like that since his release.

Croanin3 votes

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Say what you want about Fiora LeeSin Zed Fizz Irelia despite their high outplay potential they are gated by a resource they have come up short on kills or died because they ran out of mana/energy.

*sees a picture of Fiora and Irelia *

laughs

If these chicks are considered to be put in an outplay champion category, then let's also include these guysKassadin Khazix JarvanIV Talon Jax . No, i don't think possessing a point and click gap closer makes a champ "outplay potential'

Also

Yasuo is as dangerous as Riven early lvls. And people who get cheesed at lvl 2 are the guys that feed him and then complain about getting shit on Yasuo by not knowing how to play that matchup. Hey, i don't defend him, but he's always been like that since his release.

Their not Lee Sin level in terms of play making ability. But generally when you have a hard CC and a gap closer you have pretty good outplay potential. I would say those champions you listed do expect Talon. Jarvan is a bit in the meh category. When your CC is also your gap closer it limits you. But he can get creative with his Cataclysm.

Abyssphere1 votes

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Say what you want about Fiora LeeSin Zed Fizz Irelia despite their high outplay potential they are gated by a resource they have come up short on kills or died because they ran out of mana/energy.

*sees a picture of Fiora and Irelia *

laughs

If these chicks are considered to be put in an outplay champion category, then let's also include these guysKassadin Khazix JarvanIV Talon Jax . No, i don't think possessing a point and click gap closer makes a champ "outplay potential'

Also

Yasuo is as dangerous as Riven early lvls. And people who get cheesed at lvl 2 are the guys that feed him and then complain about getting shit on Yasuo by not knowing how to play that matchup. Hey, i don't defend him, but he's always been like that since his release.

I can definitely agree that Irelia is massively lacking in anything close to outplay potential but seriously, Fiora? The whole point of her rework was "GET OUTPLAYED NOOB" and Riposte alone has more outplay potential than the entire kits of most champions.

Mael bro1 votes

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I can definitely agree that Irelia is massively lacking in anything close to outplay potential but seriously, Fiora? The whole point of her rework was "GET OUTPLAYED NOOB" and Riposte alone has more outplay potential than the entire kits of most champions.

Riposte should be basically given the "troll pole" treatment and be considered as total bs, when you were more like outkitted than outplayed

Abyssphere1 votes

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Riposte should be basically given the "troll pole" treatment and be considered as total bs, when you were more like outkitted than outplayed

In certain cases, Riposte is just a hard counter. A good example of that is Fiora vs Darius - Darius should never, ever get to ult her because the delay on his ult is so obvious and long. But for the most part there's something you can do to play around Riposte and something Riposte can do to play around you, particularly with the potential stun on it.

Fiora is probably the least stat check-reliant melee carry in the game, IMO. I've rarely felt powerless against her since her rework, which isn't something I can say about pre-rework Fiora. Unfortunately I can sympathise with people who just get hard countered by her - that has to suck horribly.

Chaotic Reks2 votes

and let's not forget Rumble

Croanin1 votes

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and let's not forget Rumble

Rumble has to manage his Heat. Also while his kit is good it I wouldn't say it's loaded.

Penns1 votes

Remove Irelia from there. She wont go oom and if she does, shes either going back or already killed you anyway lel.

Croanin1 votes

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Remove Irelia from there. She wont go oom and if she does, shes either going back or already killed you anyway lel.

Then why do so many take flask?

Penns1 votes

Because.. uh...

Maybe because they dont start dorans and do a camp level 1? :o [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

SiG DxD1 votes

look talon requires brain to manage mana ,riven does not require brain true

Sasogwa1 votes

Ok, so I want to point out something. I see everywhere Vladimir weak early Well, I beg to disagree. Vladimir is freaking ranged. Unless you have good mobility very early on (Riven Renekton ?), or you're playing a ranged champion that outranges Vlad, which is basically saying you have a counterpick ; Vlad is not weak early. He's just a ranged champion that can lasthit from distance and even harass you a bunch.

Croanin2 votes

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Ok, so I want to point out something. I see everywhere Vladimir weak early Well, I beg to disagree. Vladimir is freaking ranged. Unless you have good mobility very early on (Riven Renekton ?), or you're playing a ranged champion that outranges Vlad, which is basically saying you have a counterpick ; Vlad is not weak early. He's just a ranged champion that can lasthit from distance and even harass you a bunch.

You have to play it smart if your melee. His sustain is low early on and his pool chunks the crap out of his health. So you have to abuse him early. But you are right a bad trade and you've taken too much minion damage or gets off good harass as you are walking away.

Regardless....Vlad isn't resourceless he does use health which hurts him early. And while you could argue his kit is toxic, it aint loaded.

Croanin1 votes

bump

IAMS4T4N1 votes

LOL how do irelia and fiora have outplay potential just wondering

Croanin1 votes

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LOL how do irelia and fiora have outplay potential just wondering

Irelia can dance around minions since her Q resets on kills. Then her stun. Irelia has her Riposte. Really any champion that has gap closers and hard CC (on seperate abilities) they have decent out play ability.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

{quoted} Yasuo He can dash as long as he has targets since it has no CD.

Ignorance at its finest

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