He's called the master tactician, yet all he does is make fucking claws come out of the ground and turn into a bird while mindlessly charging at his enemies
what the fuck kind of tactic is that
might as well call mundo a master tactician too
JustMyBassCannon129 votes"If we approach strategically from the flank...Oh, who am I kidding? Let's just morph and eat them!"
To answer your question, that's the tactic of a hungry tactician.
lightdragoon8810 votesSwain's birds are hungry.
500000000000000041 votesHis flock is ravenous.
MilfHuntUnitXJ93 votesHis flock is ravenous.
Here comes you an hour later to copy the words of somebody else's comment, gets upvoted for meh wording
Paletongue24 votesThat's the name of his ultimate, nice try to be bitter, buddy
LICENSED HOOKER7 votes
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Singady3 votesYou clever little bird.....
Well played good sir or madam
Well played
TiberiumPandemic48 votesCame expecting an angry rant about Swain, got a pretty intelligent joke instead. +1
Crossette39 votes
MUNDO WANT TO BE TACTICIAN.
museum
Robert Smith45 votesMundo runs international corporation as he pleases
ponkzy11 votesif mundo can run international corporation he's good enough for president
ElJanitorFrank6 votes-America in the 2016 elections.
Replacing Mundo with he-who-shall-not-be-named.
Taarki6 votesBetter than Trump.
WolfChases16 votes
I have an AOE CC that I can place on the ground and win the teamfight.
Swain......please...
Crowe Stalker14 votesRemember that came out around Season 1, when champions couldn't be mechanically complex because Riot had a weak system that, aside from 
did not encourage LCS Big Plays or otherwise demand great mechanical knowledge or decision making.
Now that we're at the end of Season 5 he really needs a rework of some kind because he's honestly very clunky compared to the likes of 
(who is, in my opinion, the most tactical person in the entire League mechanically) or 
(who has realistic Risk Verses Reward) (EDIT: I wasn't thinking of his Chronobreak, I was thinking of Parallel Convergence because honestly I think that skillshot's pretty interesting but the large delay, even if it's area is not telegraphed, makes it hard to utilize to it's fullest)
He's not Tactical in comparison to many new Champions, his gameplay's tactics, at most, are trying to catch people in bad positions so you can throw an E-Q-W Combo for maximum damage and decide when to use 
in the middle of a team fight with your Ultimate active. Oh, and managing your mana because Ravenous Flock drains your mana so freaking bad... Compare this to Azir, who needs to position his soldiers for maximum damage, or 
who needs good mouse control so you don't accidentally devour your Front Line instead of the enemy with 3 stacks of your passive, or even 
who needs good Seed and Plant placement to excel.
Lady Hammerlock3 votesmaybe...maybe he should be reworked but then again keeping his identity in a rework will be pretty hard
Silents4295 votes
Kay. The guy with a reset button doesn't have a risk versus reward gameplay, he by the very definition of it, is not a risk versus reward champion.
Crowe Stalker2 votesOkay, I should have tried to think of a better example (I wasn't accounting Ekko's ultimate.) maybe 
? IDK, I guess I don't play very risky champions because I can't think of any good ones. The point is, Swain's very simplistic, with a very archaic kit, which isn't at all fitting for someone who's title is 'Master Tactician'. Basically I think there are better champions in the game right now, thematically and in the meta.
Vistha Kai1 votesKennen's like R->Flash->Zhonya, completely no planning involved, because they will be stunned and with less than half of the health when Zhonya ends.
Crowe Stalker2 votesLook, my point is Swain doesn't have any engaging decisions aside from when to pop during his ultimate. Sure, some people may not seem like they do, but most champions by now have more interesting interactions than Swain does and for a 'Master Tactician' that's pretty freaking pathetic.
Voluug139 votesDoesnt have any engaging decisions? by that logic no champion has engaging decisions aside from when to pop -insert fundamental ability here-. All FotM assassins are this.
Swain is an inmobile, short range, manahungry champion whose only hard CC is a delayed root. You have to constantly take the best decisions to not die in league of mobility. Its not Swain's fault people dive him at full hp/mana and an entire minion wave to heal back damage with no CC because ''muh playz oneshotz you!1!!''.
Swain, and any inmobile champion with low cc is by default at a need of constant decision making and high map awareness, instead of flash reflexes for muh playz.
Gorgannan2 votesyou can use your ult now to live or wait for it to catch up, maybe dying in the process, to try for a kill.
He has just as much risk as anyone else. He isn't a champ with a bonus rewind. It comes out of his pwer budget.
Silents4292 votesBut it's still a reset button, he has tons of kill potential even without his ult.
His ult isn't being used as a means of burst, if an enemy happens to be in the way then so be it.
Vistha Kai5 votes
Haven't had such a good giggle in a while.
SteelStallion15 votesI couldn't disagree more with the rework bit. Why does every champion need to be some flashy showcase of complex ability programming? There's nothing wrong with having champions with down to earth kits. In fact, I'd argue there are way too many WOOOOOAAAH LOOK AT ALL THIS MOBILITY, JUMP OVER WALLS BLOCK TERRAIN REWIND TIME WOAAAH.
Swain has his niche, and he fills it quite well. He's very powerful but he's not unstoppable and he has clearly defined weaknesses. He is not even remotely in need of a rework of any kind.
VardenSalad4 votesThese are the people who think Taric's kit has no counterplay. Because literally just walking away doesn't qualify (RIP 
)
Orisi4 votesYou think you can counter Taric?
That's outrageous. Truly, truly, truly... Outrageous.
But yeah if he gets to level 5 Botlane without you getting a kill or severely out farming you're not winning that lane without some serious help.
Crowe Stalker1 votesHe's a Master Tactician, that's his thing in the lore, so having a kit that feels mechanically simplistic and barely Tactical betrays his identity as one of the smartest people in the League when it comes to planning, foresight, and execution of conflicts. I'm not arguing for him to have mobility (I mean, he's a cripple, he can't exactly Dash anywhere because for some reason he decided The Rule of Badass was more important than properly fixing his leg.) but he should have more interesting interactions than Torment into either Nevermove-Decrepify to make use of the immobilize for a longer leash or Decrepify-Nevermove to try to make Nevermove easier to land and using an Ultimate with no mechanical challenge aside from managing your mana and waiting to use your effectively.
I wouldn't be asking for a Sion-Level Rework, just some retuning or small changes, give him something more engaging.
SteelStallion5 votesYou want to gut a champion mechanically for the sake of an arbitrary lore bit? Who in the flying fuck cares about League of Legends abysmal, nonsensical lore anyway? Noxus fights along side Demacian champions against Zaun wild cards. None of it makes any sense and if THAT'S where you want to start making it coherent then you need to get your priorities straight.
This is the stupidest reason to rework a champion I've ever heard in my life. Just change Swain's title.
Crowe Stalker1 votesPeople like you are why 
still mention the League of Legends and the Institute of War in their lore .-.
I started League because of the lore and the massive world it has, that's what it had gunning for it by the time every company and their mother went into a MOBA Craze and I still like to think Riot gives a damn somewhere.
SteelStallion4 votesI think they stopped giving a damn some time since the big lore rework where 80% of the champion lore was invalidated and summoners no longer exist but are paradoxically still mentioned all over the place. The matter of the fact is that League is a game based on its mechanics first, its mechanics second, its mechanics third, and its lore some where eighth.
Like I said, if it really bothers you that much, I'd suggest simply changing Swain's title and lore rather than his entire gameplay.
Lore is moulded to fit around the mechanics, not the other way around.
Voluug132 votesActually they do care about lore, but only in individual champion lore or links between them. Specially when it comes to thematic concepts.
The entire concept of the League and Insitute was bad ans should have never have happened.
Psychoneirik12 votesSwain is the most tactical champion out there, you need a good strategy and insane timing to last hit those creeps.
50000000000000006 votesWould you prefer bird-omancer?
Sulghunter20 votesYou rang? 
Jakra16 votesSorry, did you say my name? 
Daedalus87116 votesWhat was that?
Emperor Time3 votesI hate Swain, he's the definition of no counterplay. He is going to walk near you and then deal AoE damage and heal and there's nothing you can do except apply grevious wounds, but that can be cleansed off.
Stiv12345 votesYou can stay out of his range.
ArkenStorm2 votesThat's why they reworked morde...... :'(
Vistha Kai3 votesThat's why they didn't rework Annie.
VardenSalad1 votesI can't rationalize both of those decisions with Veigar's rework.
Orisi2 votesVeigar was basically because he had two point and click AP abilities and an instant stun on a reasonably low cooldown. You can see Annie's stun and she has to burn flash to Tibbers for a full damage combo. Veigar was essentially get too close and you will either be stunned or trapped, guaranteed. unless you burn flash or have a jump.
Annie's counter play is make her burn her stun, dive her, avoid Tibbers. Veigars was "don't be AP. Don't go near him. Be able to jump flash or otherwise dodge his stun" if you can't do 2/3 you're toast.
Vistha Kai7 votesBurn her stun = she kills you durning the stun. Dive her = she's an anti-assassin champion. Avoid Tibbers = it's an instant point'n'click ability.
I'm sorry, what?
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I hate Swain, he's the definition of no counterplay. He is going to walk near you and then deal AoE damage and heal and there's nothing you can do except apply grevious wounds, but that can be cleansed off.
Try run Vlad into him.
air tiger24 votesWorst idea. If you do this, you deserve the laning experience you get.
SEKAI7 votes[{quoted}](name=air tiger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iMlqoEjq,comment-id=000800010000,timestamp=2015-08-24T14:17:47.802+0000)
Worst idea. If you do this, you deserve the laning experience you get.
Yeah I was trying to troll the guy, and that was really idiotic of me, shouldn't have done that.
Thunder Dreamss30 votesNo, Swain is the definition of strategic counterplay. It's true, fast reflexes will not save you from him the same way they'll save you from Ez or Lux. Instead you need to outthink him. His ult is super expensive to keep active so he can't keep it up for long before he goes OOM. So, with that in mind you need to bait out his ult then back off. If he keeps it on he'll go OOM and you can kill him while it's down. If he drops it you have nearly 10 seconds to dive and kill him before he can turn it on again.
Retillin16 votesThis ^. I get sick of people thinking the only type of counterplay is to dodge skill shots. If you have to THINK about when/how to engage on an aoe, very low mobility champion it is still counterplay. Just not fast twitch/hyper reflexes.
TenSlashTen3 votesthe problem with league is mobility is broken so you don't have to think about when to engage when you can freely disengage with 40%+ of the champions now.
