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Riot used Assassin Buff! It was super effective! Aurelion Sol fainted!

Topazium·Oct 13, 2016·2 votes·862 views

I'm an main.

Sure, sure, yeah, people can say he does almost nothing and can win teamfights by standing still, but that's not the point. Whatever he does, he's still a normal champ that should be balanced and playable.

However, Riot nerfed him a week after they released him. Then they nerfed him again in the summer. And then they nerfed him again recently.

It's enough that without all the nerfs, he was extremely vulnerable to assassins. With the nerfs, it's almost impossible to lane against someone like . And if you get ganked? Forget it.

He's just counterable by too much, it seems. From my experience, as soon the enemy mid-laner picks , , , , , , , or if the enemy jungler picks , , , or if they pick just about ANY assassin- it seems like lane is already lost.

I understand some of these might be my own misplaying, but for the most part, I know they're very hard counters.

And now, it seems Riot wants to buff Assassins... will there be much point playing him at all if he's countered by such a large group of champs?

18 Comments

AstôlfoOct 13, 20162 votes

Eh, Aurelion was and is already countered by assassins anyways. That's the whole point to his design.

Also, the assassin rework isn't straight out buffs. It's REWORKS. AKA, SHIFTING POWER and CHANGING them.

TopaziumOct 13, 20161 votes

I'm just worried that some abilities (like Talon's suggested terrain-navigating) will counter him even more, and without buffing him or at least giving him some protection against assassins in some way, there's not going to be much point in playing him in ranked at all.

AstôlfoOct 13, 20161 votes

He's already shit into those matchups, and Aurelion isn't really someone you should be first picking in the first place, because of how binary he is (crushes immobile matchups through scaling and Rylai's poke-slow star passive, but loses horribly to mobile matchups).

TopaziumOct 13, 20161 votes

I mean I believe I'm good enough to lane against some assassins, for example, I held a lane against a Mastery 7 Fizz once, but that's Bronze. I've had experience with him, so theoretically, I'm sure I CAN still kinda successfully play him, I'm wondering whether it's worth the effort.

AstôlfoOct 13, 20161 votes

Probably not, unless you feel confident into those matchups. Just wait till said rework comes out and try it out and see what it's like. If it's too rough, then don't?

TopaziumOct 13, 20161 votes

Alright yeah, makes sense.

BalisanOct 13, 20161 votes

You do realize that you can defend yourself from an assassin just by double-tapping q when they close in, right? Zed is especially vulnerable to this. If he ults you in lane, you can Q>Q>R his ass into your tower. If his ult shadow is too far away, he can't warp back to it. There's an ok chance he's out of mobility and a high chance he eats at least one turret shot to the face. On top of that, his ult procs before he can get much more than an E and an autoattack in.

Anyone that gets between you and your tower is asking to be killed.

SomeLinkOct 13, 20161 votes

Pretty sure Q has a minimum reactivation period and can't be double tapped for someone on you.

nm1010Oct 13, 20161 votes

So much misinformation in such a short period of time. You can't qq on top of yourself, zed's ult shadow does not have a range limit, and any zed that ults before he has combo'd you or has you low is an idiot.

PupelOct 13, 20161 votes

What is it about re-works that people think its buffing? They are not buffing assassins they are reworking them so they are not just about blowing people up

TopaziumOct 13, 20161 votes

Looking at what they say they will do, it seems like they will mostly be buffing them, not in stats, but in abilities. They hinted at Talon being able to navigate terrain, for example. As an Aurelion Sol, if Talon drops out onto you from nowhere, you're screwed, etc.

PupelOct 13, 20162 votes

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Looking at what they say they will do, it seems like they will mostly be buffing them, not in stats, but in abilities. They hinted at Talon being able to navigate terrain, for example. As an Aurelion Sol, if Talon drops out onto you from nowhere, you're screwed, etc.

the specifically said they were going to give them counterplay

TopaziumOct 13, 20161 votes

I don't believe that that was said, but in the case that it was, I still think Aurelion should be given some more protection from assassins. He's simply countered by too much.

nm1010Oct 13, 20161 votes

Excluding his fotm stint after he got worlds attention, Sol has consistently held a ~65% for people who had 50ish games on him. Having a class that counters him getting some buffs might not be bad.

TopaziumOct 13, 20161 votes

The thing with Aurelion Sol, is he's STILL countered by assassins hard, no matter the win percent. The reason that win percent is there is because he does great against a lot of other roles... and it doesn't seem balanced either way. It seems like RIOT should somehow make him a less effective against non-assassins, and yet let him have some more form of defense against assassins. At least, this has been my experience. Admittedly, I am only Bronze 3 and joined early Season 6, so I do not have too much experience in things like this in general.

nm1010Oct 13, 20161 votes

He is a consistent ap damage threat, they have almost always been op or up. Very rarely have Cassiopeia Rumble Diana been able to be strong without being toxic to the game. So unfortunately I doubt he will end up in a place that seems satisfying to play.

TopaziumOct 13, 20161 votes

Ah. So it might not make sense to continue playing him in Ranked?

nm1010Oct 13, 20161 votes

I'm never going to tell someone to not pick something if they like it, but you might have periods when he has harder games then others.

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