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Aurelion Sol and the- oh, look, he's already dead. @Riot

Topazium··4 votes·1,827 views

I recently made a post (when the Assassin rework was announced, but not yet released) about my concern on the playabality of AurelionSol, as someone who mains him. In that post, I expressed my concerns that he has already been nerfed a lot, and is extremely vulnerable to assassins. Extremely. Vulnerable. He was nerfed right after release, nerfed again over the summer, and again in, I believe, August (I might totally be wrong here). So when I saw that Assassins are going to be reworked, I wasn't really thrilled. Then, of course, I posted a discussion voicing my fear that with the assassin 'buffs', Aurelion would no longer be playable. People immediately assured me that 'rework' did not mean 'buff', and there was not much reason to worry at all.

And now the rework has been released and shown off. And it certainly does seem like a buff- most of the champions seem to have been given more mobility, or more escape and chase potential. For example, one of the ways Aurelion can quickly escape an area is quickly E away as soon as he sees an enemy champ and is alone. However, if Talon can E over terrain quickly, coupled with Flash, he can land an ability on Aurelion and bring him down, not allowing him to escape. One of Aurelion's greatest strengths is his mobility around the map, and this mobility is a big part of the reason why stunning an opponent while running away often allows him to escape. With Katarina's movement boost, and Talon's E, as well as other minor changes, it feels like Aurelion is being countered, blocked, beaten up, and destroyed at every turn. In fact, I'd say he might soon be unplayable- at least, that is my, now, very real fear.

So, @Riot, is there anything you might say that might show or explain why it's not so? Because I also realize I don't understand or know everything about this, and would like to give a chance to possibly listen and acknowledge why Aurelion Sol might still be viable. Please, explain why this is being done.

Thank you! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

43 Comments

AwareChill2 votes

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's not hyped for the assassin rework, it terrifies me knowing I have to stop playing Sol just because may people will pick the buffed up assassins in the mid lane.

Topazium2 votes

Same here, especially since I mostly play Aurelion Sol and Vel'Koz- two very similar ranged mages that both are not very strong at all melee, and who are both effectively screwed in terms of the assassin rework. I don't really know what to play now that my main and secondary are done for.

AwareChill1 votes

I recommend playing ahri for now, she's similar to your playstyle (we both have same playstyle), she's poke ranged with a good cc and her ult can help you be mobile and escape, others I heard would be good is lissandra, her kit basically screams cc, her ult and w can save you from assassins

Topazium1 votes

I think I basically have to ditch my whole current champ pool, as they are almost all assassin-counterable, and start new. I'm probably going to start going top again, and have started Nasus again, as with the recent buff, he works very well, especially against the current assassin meta. And also because the only skin I own is (sadly) Galactic Nasus. :3

cheoekar2 votes

ALWAYS REMEBER THIS IS A TEAM GAME YOU DONT HAVE TO WIN LANE JUST NOT FEED IT TEAM COMB IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LANE MATCH UPS MOST OF THE TIME JUST LOOK AT THE LCS WHEN THEY PICK POPPY AND SHEN OR MALIKIA ITS NOT TO WIN LANE BUT THE TEAM FIGHT..........SORRY CAPS BUT DONT WANA RE TYPE

Topazium2 votes

Yes, I understand this. I have heard what you have to say, and acknowledged, please stop spamming.

Catastrop2 votes

Then don't play him into assassins.

Topazium1 votes

That's not always possible; what if the enemy midlaner is picking after you in a draft? You don't have much choice. Also, almost every midlaner is an assassin. It's not entirely possible.

cheoekar1 votes

I AGREE WITH YOU THAT SOL IS GUNNA BE IN A BAD SPOT AS SOON AS SEASON 7 HIT BUT AFTER ALL THE HYPE OF ASSASSINS GO DOWN HE WILL BE VIABLE AGAIN. ITS NOT THAT HE WONT BE STRONG ITS THAT THE META AT THE TIME WILL COUNTER HIM YOU JUST GOTTA WAIT FOR THE META TO SHIFT OR LEARN HOW TO BEAT THEM WITH SOL ITS POSSIBLE IF U CS WELL(BTER THAN THEM ) AND JUST SCALE INTO THE MID GAME. MY FAVORT MATCH UP ARE INTO COUNTERS SOMETIMES BECUZE THEY GET COCKY AND ALOWS YOU TO OUT PLAY THEM

Topazium1 votes

Not exactly... It's fairly hard to outplay a LeBlanc with Aurelion Sol when she can simply dash in and out of your star-circle. And Kat, with shunpo. It's not that he's simply countered by the meta, he's just HARD countered by so many champions, to list a few (I might be wrong on some): Katarina, Fizz, LeBlanc, Yasuo, Zed, Master Yi, Talon, Kha'Zix, Rengar, Blitzcrank, Veigar, Riven, just to list a few. And these are champions that 'kinda' counter him. They're champions that will simply completely dominate over him.

SGT Dingle Berry1 votes

God I hate caps.

@OP What are some other weaknesses of AS? I've never played him personally and have only seen to dominate pro play so I'm curious what his counters are besides assassins.

Topazium1 votes

Well, his main large weakness is almost any melee champion, being silenced. His stars are his most powerful damaging factor, but they have an inner and outer range. So if any champion gets into the star circle, unless Aurelion flast+q's or ults, he can't really do anything. Which is why is main use is in teamfights, constantly providing DPS. Otherwise, in a 1v1, the enemy will often win if they are melee. Basically, unless Aurelion has ult up (to knock enemies back), he's screwed if a champion gets close to him. Also, his stars (his most useful tool) disappear for a short bit if he is silenced.

cheoekar1 votes

i agree with u that most of them are hard match up but they arnt un-winable just takes practice and as it was already said u pick him for the team fight

Topazium1 votes

I disagree. It can't be solved by simply 'playing better'. Those enemies, the other people, also can 'play better', and still counter just as effectively. Laning phase is still just as important.

cheoekar1 votes

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I disagree. It can't be solved by simply 'playing better'. Those enemies, the other people, also can 'play better', and still counter just as effectively. Laning phase is still just as important.

who is sol biggest counter 2 u and lets c if i can explain it

Topazium1 votes

Fizz. Aurelion's main way to engage is stun the enemy and then immediately W to hit them with faster stars that do higher damage. However, Fizz can simply E as soon as he sees Aurelion's stun, bypassing it completely, and at the same time leap into melee range of Aurelion, making him unable to strike back as Fizz can use his ult and other abilities to decimate him. If Aurelion stays back, Fizz can still use his ult to do great damage to Aurelion, as well as use his E to dive easily.

cheoekar1 votes

FIZZ IS THE ONE MATCH UP THAT I CANT HELP YA WITH. YOU ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE YOUR JG PITCH A TENT OR FF YOUR TOWER AND ROAM ALOT I CANT BEAT HIM EITHER UNLESS THEY LET ME JUST FARM

Topazium1 votes

Exactly. There are champions that just completely counter him, no matter what.

So really, I'd just like a Rioter, maybe to post and explain how to counteract that, or what to do that might help it, or if they will possibly help him in the future.

cheoekar1 votes

{quoted}

Exactly. There are champions that just completely counter him, no matter what.

So really, I'd just like a Rioter, maybe to post and explain how to counteract that, or what to do that might help it, or if they will possibly help him in the future.

I CAN HELP U BEAT LB ZED TALON YI BUT NOT FIZZ HE IS A MONSTER AND JUST BAN HIM LOL

Topazium1 votes

Firstly: please, please, stop with all the caps.

Secondly, with LeBlanc: her w lets her dash into Aurelion Sol's inner circle without taking any damage, as well as letting her completely avoid his stun. Using this one ability, she almost negates his whole kit. Not to mention the cc with her E, and her ult allowing her to recast her W, if needed.

cheoekar1 votes

when she w in you cast q not where she but were she came from 90% of the time u will get a stun and u can trade evenly with her most of time if u start abissal septer

Topazium2 votes

The problem is, a smart LeBlanc would use her w to EVADE my q as soon as I use it, and then use her ult to get into melee range.

Also... please just reply to previous comments instead of making new ones? It's clogging up the page a bit.

cheoekar1 votes

thats funny shit i main vel and sol secondary.......what i do is dont fist pick or if i do ban lb hope to god fizz doesnt show up and i can out play the rest or out farm them at least or roam cuz both of them can push out easyly

Topazium2 votes

Please, PLEASE just reply to our previous comments!

Also, your advice isn't really helping.. it's simply hoping that a.) you get a position in which you can ban a champion, b.) that the champion you DON'T ban isn't on the enemy team, and c.) that the other player is stupid enough to get outplayed by an Aurelion or Vel'Koz.

cheoekar1 votes

sorry i cant be more of a help just something you gotta pick up from playing the match up......i have a buddy play my counters and i try to beat him in custom games that how improve for ranked

Stars Shaper1 votes

I also am worried a lot, mostly because Edge of Night, this item removes any chance of Aurelion Sol surviving an assault: charge shield -> engage -> dead AS beause he can't Ult you back to place.

Not to mention that my other main, Xerath, will also suffer a lot.

cheoekar1 votes

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I also am worried a lot, mostly because Edge of Night, this item removes any chance of Aurelion Sol surviving an assault: charge shield -> engage -> dead AS beause he can't Ult you back to place.

Not to mention that my other main, Xerath, will also suffer a lot.

what is the cd on that item idr AND CAN U AA IT?

Stars Shaper1 votes

Was 30 seconds in origin and is now 45 sec. on PBE.

TequilaZombie1 votes

It's a spell shield. You can't AA a spell shield away.

cheoekar1 votes

{quoted}

It's a spell shield. You can't AA a spell shield away.

u cant aa sivir shield then? i thought it was gunna work like a malzahar passive

TequilaZombie1 votes

Malz shield is not a spell shield, but rather a dmg reduction + CC immunity tool.

You can't AA away spell shields like Banshee's, Noc's W, Sivir's E or the new Edge of the Night. You either way them out or pop them with a spell.

cheoekar1 votes

can u aa it

TequilaZombie1 votes

I'd say the changes to assassins are actually pretty good for Aurelion.

Talon can jump over terrain and flash onto you, but you can just ult him away and have him perma CC'd (with stun and slows from Rylais).

Kat's dagger shows where she's gonna end up, so Sol can just leave his orbs above it to either zone her out or put some extra damage on her.

Many assassins who had a way to quickly close the gap to melee range (which is when Aurelion has the most problems) were nerfed or got that ability removed.

If anything, the thing that will cause the most problems to Aurelion is Edge of the Night, as the spell shield will totally cock block with ult, which is his only self peel at melee range.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Edge of Night

TequilaZombie1 votes

I already mentioned that and agreed it will mess him up pretty bad.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Didn't read the last part, my bad.

Topazium1 votes

But he won't always have ult up, especially at low level, and Kat's shunpo can still get within range.

TequilaZombie1 votes

Kat still has targeted shunpo, mb. Missread her patch notes and saw only the dagger jump thingie.

Topazium1 votes

It's alright! :)

Vistha Kai1 votes

But Aurelion Sol is the most broken OP champion in the game! The Korean #1 said so!

/s

Topazium1 votes

Heh, heh.

Seriously, though, one of the biggest problems I've seen is people looking and listening to advice from pro players and taking it as the LAW. Many players don't take into account their own skill level and capabilities, and let themselves down because of it-

Prime example- ROX and SSG use Miss Fortune support along with an Ashe ad carry against an enemy Zyra support. Players see how good it is, and immediately disregard the other factors that made it good (the Ashe ad carry and the enemy Zyra) and immediately assume it's good for everything. In lower ELOs especially, there's now a great spike of MF supports claiming 'it's good'.

And it also leads to lower self esteem- "Ooh, [blank] said this champ is good" loses games with champ because is not skilled at the champ themselves "Why aren't I winning!? This champ is the most OP in the game! They said so! It's all Riot's fault" (etc, etc)

Vistha Kai2 votes

The point is that the guy who said it said literally that "Aurelion Sol is the most broken OP champion in the game" and later added "because of his roams".

His opinion on Yasuo is - not exact quote, but the idea is the same - "Yasuo is so broken OP, that his only weakness is the player not being able to contain his brokenness".

And when I tell people using this "even the best Korean player thinks Yasuo is broken" argument that he gives exactly zero explanation why, no reason, nothing, they rebute with "He's number 1 in Korea, so he is right and you have no right to question him".

https://66.media.tumblr.com/5cf7b550f7e05baeda896006de8948b5/tumblr_ndndzohztZ1ru8wu1o1_400.gif

Topazium1 votes

Alistar -human half + Shen -(en) + (it)

Bullshit

But yeah, it's often a tarnishing aspect of a game when people start to look at the best players as 'gods'.

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