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Weiss Guertena21 votes

Remember when Evelynn was intentionally kept in the gutter because Riot considered her ability to instantly delete someone out of stealth with little to no counterplay toxic? Good times, man.

Yets42402 votes

That. . . wasn't even the issue.

The issue was that she had a stun on her E, and she could instantly CC you from stealth. That was considered over powered and anti-fun because you had no way to react or to outplay the initial CC, even though it usually only ended in a bad trade or putting you behind, and maybe blowing a summoner, instead of actually killing you. She was a DPS character at the time, who didn't have burst. She couldn't kill you during the CC unless you were at like 20% HP.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

Eve? A stun?

Pretty sure her E was a double auto that gave attackspeed.

Flitchee5 votes

Her earliest edition her E would stun you.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

Wasnt that a bonus like duskblade for her breaking stealth? The first hit would stun someone?

And furthermore wasnt this in like the beta or something? Not really relevant ah O_O

Although she was pretty much constantly nerfed to a low tier even without the stun so no real big difference i suppose.

Yets42402 votes

Nope, you really aren't sure what you're talking about here. I suggest looking it up, as you are misremembering. I'm talking about preseason 1 through to somewhere in season 2 Eve, before she got gutted hard enough to make the first meme about RIOT gutting champions, and characters being as worthless as Eve; or the memes about how cannon minions were better champions than Eve. It was a pretty memorable time if you were playing, imho.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

V1.0.0.120 Hate Spike Hate Spike Projectile speed increased. Shadow Walk Shadow Walk REMOVED: On-hit 1 / 1.25 / 1.5 / 1.75 / 2 seconds stun when breaking stealth. NEW EFFECT: Slows for 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50% on-hit for 3 seconds when breaking stealth.

Just checked, i remembered the way the stun worked but i got the dates wrong indeed x)

Was removed 24 patches into season one out of 55 in total, then she was left alone until about 10 patches before season 2 where she got a gameplay update, which saw some changes go through here and there until 3 patches into season 2 where she was then left alone until season 4.

Mael Jade14 votes

Thats a long time it takes to die, you sure Death Recap is not bugged?

wolvius11 votes

Seems like necessary evil to deal with Vayne item 3124 item 3153 item 3046

Ðu Šhiedah 1 votes

enemy Vayne had this items and i still one shot her :P 2k dmg in 0.16 sec :P

wolvius2 votes

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enemy Vayne had this items and i still one shot her :P 2k dmg in 0.16 sec :P

Your doing God's work https://i.imgflip.com/2v20uu.jpg

hhaavviikk7 votes

holy shit you lived that long? consider me jealous.

also screenshots showing another fun fact of death recap, if only 1 source of damage kills you it invents a new random damage source so that it shows 2 damage sources, in this case ryze Q dealing some true damage from across the map supposedly

Its All Skillzz5 votes

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holy shit you lived that long? consider me jealous.

also screenshots showing another fun fact of death recap, if only 1 source of damage kills you it invents a new random damage source so that it shows 2 damage sources, in this case ryze Q dealing some true damage from across the map supposedly

when you die so fast, the game doesnt even know what killed you and it goes to make this make sense im throwing this random spell from a champion who might not even be in the game into the records.

PaladinNO1 votes

The death recap is so broken it's not even funny. I have had myself coming up as assist in my own death recap.

Yes, the Shyvana I attacked had Thornmail, but still...

Another one (this isn't even a joke): Killer: Caster Minion. Physical Damage: 2 Assist: Veigar. Magic Damage: ~2000

I even got a screenshot somewhere, with the death recap showing I got killed by summoner 4

sit kid7 votes

This is looks like its urf

He is almost fulll build

Git gud

Its All Skillzz5 votes

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This is looks like its urf

He is almost fulll build

Git gud

it is urf, look at 80% cdr on xerath, but thats still low kill time for urf, ive died in .28 seconds in a real game as ezreal vs rengar who wasnt even fed or full build.

sit kid1 votes

Well i can tell you that last game the enemy Ezreal who was 0-3 and had manamune and iceborn gaunlet took 65% of my hp with WQ

And Rengar is an assassin who kills isolated people. L2p

FSRER1 votes

So, a rengar with the same items, would NOT kill xerath with a ult and double q? yeah ok

sit kid2 votes

No, and that is fair gameplay. Assassins kill out of position squishies as they're supposed to do

FSRER1 votes

I guess you are right at least at this one because rengar once he gets in a fight he cant get out like other assassins (Khazix Pyke Akali Zed who can easily engage and disengage)

sit kid1 votes

I mean, the other assassins can get caught as well really easily, land one hard cc on them and you can chain CC them to death. Of course, they need tools to get in and out.

It'd be inappropriate in s3-s4'ish since the game was a lot less power creeped back then. Think about it, Zoe oneshots people without an actual ultimate, Kaisa is pretty much vayne, but with better range and waveclear

FSRER2 votes

All hard cc abilities (exception skarner) are skillshots and hitting either kha, pyke, akali or zed, especially good ones, because very, very hard. Also, kha has double jump and stealth, pyke has dash and stealth, akali has a shit ton of mobility and a shroud and zed....yeah, ults takes no dmg and can have up to 3 shadows at which he can blink to. I mean...cmon, not only they take that crap for free AND that damage for free but, they can escape for free? especially if they have supports like soraka to keep em healed or a zilean to keep em alive.

Stars Shaper6 votes

Get summoner 21 as Xerath against bursters, not summoner 7.

It won't save you 100% but it helps a lot, trust me. Also you mgiht want to get a stopwatch early and Zhonya right after you use it.

Edit: I'm not denying Rengo insane burst, it's a literal joke and should be fixed. I'm just trying to make it less painful for the OP and allow him to save himself when he gets lucky.

Crispy0Snake5 votes

What I hate is the duskblade passive that slows by 99%, with the lowest % ms you can have you're still really slow so he's guaranteed to get his full combo off, even if you flash.

Although, here you're above level 9 with no upgraded ward, if you had a sweeper and good reactions you could stun him before he lands and save yourself

BlueSmurf20185 votes

I spot an full build rengar vs no armor xerath thats half build

FrozenFrostFyre5 votes

Rengar has 4.5~ items. You have 2.5~ items with arm-guard being the only defensive item. I hate assassin champions as much as the nextguy, but almost any champion in the game can do that with such a massive item advantage. you also went deathcap second item.

Not saying i agree with this type of burst damage being in the game, but it's also no different than what has been in the game for ages now. The things i have a problem with are the 1-2 item assassins deleting people in 0.5 seconds.

Divewing6 votes

I'll willingly agree with this for any other assassin.

Rengar has disgusting frontloaded damage in unavoidable abilities.

Theres no outplaying his Q.

At least with Talon, Zed, Ekko etc, theres that naive hope you have that you'll be able to outplay it (sometimes it happens).

With rengar, it's a fat case of: well, guess I may as well just die then.


It completely astounds me that people can whine so endlessly about Akali being unfair because she avoids a lot of stuff, but completely ignore that none of her abilities are targeted, and she has a much longer burst time than most - if not all - other assassins, but then no one bats an eye at Rengar.

LTK KoRo1 votes

i'll say same thing that someone else said in one of comments "Seems like necessary evil to deal with Vayne item 3153 item 3124 item 3046"

Im not a fan of dealing with rengar, but we need at least one reliable (from ahead) assassin. Im bored with having a 6+ kills zed, ekko or talon in my team and see them being destroyed by any competent adc after 3 items.

wolvius2 votes

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i'll say same thing that someone else said in one of comments "Seems like necessary evil to deal with Vayne item 3153 item 3124 item 3046"

Im not a fan of dealing with rengar, but we need at least one reliable (from ahead) assassin. Im bored with having a 6+ kills zed, ekko or talon in my team and see them being destroyed by any competent adc after 3 items.

Yeah not fun having your kill pressure stuck behind an artificial delay like waiting 2.5 seconds for your "charm" to arm otherwise the BPS DPS champion draintanks your burst. ( I'm speaking ARAM Evelynn, its probably necessary for cancerous rift) ADC's really kill diversity lategame and they want to be "good" early game as well.

wolvius2 votes

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I'll willingly agree with this for any other assassin.

Rengar has disgusting frontloaded damage in unavoidable abilities.

Theres no outplaying his Q.

At least with Talon, Zed, Ekko etc, theres that naive hope you have that you'll be able to outplay it (sometimes it happens).

With rengar, it's a fat case of: well, guess I may as well just die then.


It completely astounds me that people can whine so endlessly about Akali being unfair because she avoids a lot of stuff, but completely ignore that none of her abilities are targeted, and she has a much longer burst time than most - if not all - other assassins, but then no one bats an eye at Rengar.

There's no outplaying Vayne item 3124 either, and rengar actually has to dive into danger by getting in melee range (his burst is BS but this game has so much other BS anyway). But vayne is high skill cause she's "low range" and has invisibility Q steroid from ulty. If you don't have frontloaded damage to deal with her you lose, either from the damage or the draintanking from W damage with ravenous hunter and lifesteal if she buys it later.

420 grams4 votes

Riots going to read this and nerf Ryze for doing too much

Critmaster Garen4 votes

who has the faster reaction time?

Vayne before rengar jumps on her and kills her or can Rengar click on her within the 0.2 seconds before she goes invisible again and 3 shots him?

as long as adc are the abominations that they are, we need rengar in the game.

Sillae1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=i7OIh725,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2019-03-02T19:35:42.894+0000)

who has the faster reaction time?

Vayne before rengar jumps on her and kills her or can Rengar click on her within the 0.2 seconds before she goes invisible again and 3 shots him?

as long as adc are the abominations that they are, we need rengar in the game.

Vayne is strong therefore all ADCs, supports, midlaners, nontank top laners, non tank junglers, must suffer

Elewd1 votes

Im sorry but this is just stupid, Vayne is one of, if not the only, squishy damage dealer in the game who can deal with a Rengar and only at a Master+ rating would they even react fast enough to a Rengar 1shotting them with undodgeable damage via his Q. Like shit i get it, the boards fucking hate Vayne for her truedamage and the fact rageblade works with it, but like Rengar is not okay when if he gets 2 kills he can delete someone instantly with no actual chance to react.

boba drinker 4 votes

This is one of the times where I have to actually strongly disagree with this post. It's 16:00 and he already has 4 completed items. Yes, it's absurd but be realistic...how fed is he? He must've been so ahead that he's able to burst you that quickly.

Vlada Cut3 votes

No fully stacked seeker's armguard passive no Zjonya's no ninja tabi. Would've bought you 0.25 seconds more wthout using Zhonya's active. :^)

Hügö3 votes

So a nearly full build Rengar kills you fast when you just finished 3 items? Who would have thought?

Shaydrox3 votes

wow a full 0.54 seconds? Yesterday I died in 0.2s to a Rengar....

ShadowBash2 votes

Damn you had that much time?! Lucky.

I've legit had Rengar death recaps say .12 seconds.

Rock MD3 votes

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Damn you had that much time?! Lucky.

I've legit had Rengar death recaps say .12 seconds.

I've seen some 0.01's and 0.00's back in the day.

floo2 votes

I like the little touch of Ryze's Q dealing 34 true damage. Good ol' death recap.

14daysuspensionk1 votes

I really wish that said 54 seconds.

FilDaFunk1 votes

Usually takes <0.2s

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

Its easy, just dodge it, smh my head. MonkaS

Death Angel Kayn1 votes

meanwhile you're abusing xerath.

Stróc Dúnmharú1 votes

I heard that if you put an ADC in the room, stand in the opposite corner and turns your back to it, Rengar will leap out of your ass to attack. It doesn't work if you've shaved your ass recently though...

Barcid1 votes

Nobody gonna point out the Ryze 34 true damage Q?

Dewott6101 votes

yeah Ryze is so op, let's rework him again

I love cowboys1 votes

Wow you died fast in URF against a fed Rengar as a Xerath who just stood still and took it.

What's the point of this post? I'm sure you could have cherrypicked a oneshot in a normal game if you really wanted to.

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