League of True Damage

Wizard Blaze·Jun 24, 2018·60 votes·15,595 views

Top doing True Damage Mid doing that Jungle you know Bot as well Even support is doing true damage for heavens sake

whats the point of building & [slayer-jinx-unamused]

It is also league of doing damage on your % of your health. this means not even buying would save me.

See one champ without any kill or not being fed being able to take 60% in one shot. Turrets are useless garbage you are not safe with them and they are only there to steal creeps. The only hope for you is to stand behind watch your hopes and dreams falls off then enemy says: EZ.

58 Comments

ZeromatsuJun 24, 201819 votes

Let's see how long it takes until minions deal true damage too.

JRobin31Jun 24, 20183 votes

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Let's see how long it takes until minions deal true damage too.

It will be necessary in order to balance the game. Don't you want balance? /s

SolicitudeJun 24, 201819 votes

Just a disclaimer here for true damage. True damage isnt something that should scare squishies that much, its mostly directed against tanks. The reason is that when you see the true damage graph, it is "broken" into 2 other graphs that dont show, anyone who has taken conqueror and checked on it should understand that. Its "true damage dealt" and "damage that would have been mitigated". If you compare them, you would see that, against champions without defenses the damage that would get mitigated is extremely low. Say, if a skill would do 400 physical damage, against someone with low resistances, lets say 20% reduction from armor, it would do 320 physical damage, against someone with 70% reduction it would do 120. If it were to be converted into 20% true damage it would do in total 336 damage to a squishy and 176 to a tank. And while the true damage dealt in its case is 80 in both cases, the "damage that would have been mitigated", which is actually the additional damage, is 16 and 56 respectively, for the squishy is quite low and for the tank is almost 50% increase in the actual damage. Thunderlords would provide more damage to a squishy than that.

Also, a squishy with 50 armor would take almost the whole damage of an AD assassin with 48 pen, the mitigation would almost be non-existent. As a squishy you shouldnt worry much about a fighter who has Conqueror, rather an assassin or fighter with lethality and thunderlords.

Wizard BlazeJun 24, 20182 votes

Man, The game has lots of damage recently. that 110 TD does really hurts. someone can deal 600 damage in less than a second with some true damage is way off the charts. it was not like that before. it is now get one shot or not. Rito really rename the game into League of True Damage or League of One Shot

And l am IronmanJun 24, 20181 votes

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Man, The game has lots of damage recently. that 110 TD does really hurts. someone can deal 600 damage in less than a second with some true damage is way off the charts. it was not like that before. it is now get one shot or not. Rito really rename the game into League of True Damage or League of One Shot

You probably haven't seen the shiphtur diana vs yi clip, you would be scared too if you have

Wizard BlazeJun 24, 20181 votes

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And l am IronmanJun 28, 20181 votes

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AmorithJun 24, 201810 votes

Pretty sure a Yi doing 500 true damage from his E and Conqueuer alone when I have 2k health as a carry is pretty scary.

PrinceOfStormsJun 24, 20182 votes

And he'd have dealt way more damage to you if he'd taken Electrocute. Most of the increased damage that's added comes from his E, which adds true damage to his attacks. Conqueror just converts some of your damage into true damage - which means little against squishy targets, since most of that damage wouldn't have been mitigated in the first place and you'd have just taken the 500 damage straight.

Whip it goodJun 24, 20185 votes

Don't forget that conqueror gives ad on proc

ZackTheWaffleManJun 24, 20182 votes

This. Hardly anyone mentions this.

AirKingNeoJun 24, 20182 votes

10-35 is not a lot of AD.

Z3SleeperJun 24, 20182 votes

He would have, but Conqueror lets him move on to the next target with a ton more damage (to squishies as well due to increased AD) and the ability to shred a tank even faster if that's one of his next targets.

Anin777Jun 24, 20181 votes

He would have dealt more to a single target. Conqueror is for ALL targets.

Z3SleeperJun 24, 20181 votes

And this is why we can't just say "true damage" as an all encompassing term. There are 3 different types of true damage that all have their own effective targets.

Flat is for squishies % Health is for all (technically more damage to tanks, but same % to everyone) Conversion is for tanks

It's way too easy to counter-argue any statement about "true damage" (all-encompassing) since you can refute the statement by straw-manning one of the cases where it's strong (intentionally or not).

Pika FoxJun 24, 201810 votes

Pretty sure the yi doing damage to you as a squishy is the problem. The true damage at that point is irrelevant, youre already dead, with or without it.

Anin777Jun 24, 20182 votes

Camille does over 600 or more True dmg along with other sources or dmg on one Q. That's almost half my HP as a squishy. So yeah, I'm pretty scared.

My Waifu VanillaJun 25, 20181 votes

Would do like 400 if it was physical. Doesn't really change much. Would arguably do more since if they took the true damage off they would buff the damage anyway because as it stands Q2 is most of Camille's damage anyway.

And l am IronmanJun 24, 20181 votes

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Just a disclaimer here for true damage. True damage isnt something that should scare squishies that much, its mostly directed against tanks. The reason is that when you see the true damage graph, it is "broken" into 2 other graphs that dont show, anyone who has taken conqueror and checked on it should understand that. Its "true damage dealt" and "damage that would have been mitigated". If you compare them, you would see that, against champions without defenses the damage that would get mitigated is extremely low. Say, if a skill would do 400 physical damage, against someone with low resistances, lets say 20% reduction from armor, it would do 320 physical damage, against someone with 70% reduction it would do 120. If it were to be converted into 20% true damage it would do in total 336 damage to a squishy and 176 to a tank. And while the true damage dealt in its case is 80 in both cases, the "damage that would have been mitigated", which is actually the additional damage, is 16 and 56 respectively, for the squishy is quite low and for the tank is almost 50% increase in the actual damage. Thunderlords would provide more damage to a squishy than that.

Also, a squishy with 50 armor would take almost the whole damage of an AD assassin with 48 pen, the mitigation would almost be non-existent. As a squishy you shouldnt worry much about a fighter who has Conqueror, rather an assassin or fighter with lethality and thunderlords.

You probably haven't seen the shiphtur diana vs yi clip, you would be scared too if you have

Nea104Jun 24, 201812 votes

Wonder why this game is falling apart. Oh wait, MAYBE because they have been keeping buffing damage since NOVEMBER, when everyone was telling them it was a mistake since the very first days of the "new" rune system?

ThilmerJun 24, 201811 votes

This is the result of complaining about the "Tank meta" for years when the actual problem in this game has been too much damage and poor defensive options since season 5 (at least).

Anin777Jun 24, 20182 votes

Cinderhulk meta was brutal so it's understandable. Tanks are STILL strong now but you need 2-3 on your team to feel the effect. The problem is that Riot tried to shorten games which made them have the "bright idea" of increasing dmg and reducing defences to achieve that.

PB4UAMEJun 24, 20184 votes

There is a single tank with a 50% winrate, all the rest are below 50%. They are, statistically speaking, the weakest and most underrepresented class by far.

Just a heads up, these aren't tanks:

Blitzcrank Darius DrMundo Fiora Gangplank Garen Hecarim Illaoi Irelia Jax Kled Nasus Olaf Renekton Shyvana Singed Swain Trundle Volibear Urgot Udyr Warwick XinZhao Yorick

... even though I keep seeming people on the boards whining about them, and then blaming tanks which are a fundamentally unrelated class to the aforementioned champs.

fifalegendJun 26, 20181 votes

how is Mundo not a tank LUL

Pika FoxJun 24, 20184 votes

Except new IE does less damage than old IE, and true damage in general does less damage than standard AD/AP.

My Waifu VanillaJun 25, 20181 votes

Nah man it's the 200 true damage jax did with conqueror and not the required 800+ other sources of damage that is the problem xddd

AirKingNeoJun 24, 20183 votes

By supports dealing true damage, you mean Ignite? Really?

Btw when will mods put rules against empty posting where people just complain without giving justification, reason, potential fixes, or anything to really discuss?

CasterGilgameshJun 24, 20181 votes

i genuinely dont see how its a league of true damage just because some fighters deal true damage? why does this circle jerk exist?

AirKingNeoJun 24, 20181 votes

Yi is stupid so I guess true damage is the problem right xddddddd

CasterGilgameshJun 24, 20182 votes

yi always been stupid but its not really his true damage mostly his binary kit that just stat checks people to death

JoeAnarchyJun 24, 20183 votes

everyone complains about tanks.
Riot gives true damage to everyone so they won't have to complain about tanks.
Everyone complains about too much true damage.
?????
Profit?

ChaddyFantomeJun 25, 20182 votes

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everyone complains about tanks.

Riot gives true damage to everyone so they won't have to complain about tanks.

Everyone complains about too much true damage.

?????

Profit?

You don't fix the problem by putting more problematic shit into the game. That's like infesting your house with snakes to deal with your rat problem.

What Riot should have done was nerf tanks and nerf damage, not buff EVERYTHING.

PrinceOfStormsJun 24, 20182 votes

The only % health true damage that exists in the game is on Fiora's vitals (passive + R) and Vayne W (technically also Garen R if you're the villain, but that's %missing). If neither is picked, there is no %health true damage being dealt.

The vast majority of true damage in the game is being dealt by Marksmen that build IE, and top laners that take the Conqueror rune. The conqueror rune converts 20% of damage dealt to true damage, lasting for 3 seconds (melee champions refresh it) after being in combat for 4 seconds. If you disengage off of a conqueror champion, or keep trades with them below 4 seconds, they won't get much damage out of it.

Infinity Edge gives 15% of crit damage as true damage now, because its previous iteration that increased crit damage was busted, because it turned crit marksmen into assassins, except they always had their damage up and couldn't miss it since it wasn't reliant on abilities.

There's also red smite, which acts like a mini-exhaust and causes AAs to apply a small true damage dot, but you need to be an AA focused jungler to really get the most out of it.

Wizard BlazeJun 24, 20187 votes

Yesterday i was sexually abused by Jax and Pyke . for obvious reason pyke executed my ass with 315 true damage. while in another time Jax did 360+ true damage. Also yesterday Bard did to me 110 True damage.

I would love to be lubed up, dined and wined if i know im going to get wiped out without the benefits of my armors and magic resist.

PrinceOfStormsJun 24, 20184 votes

Pyke R doesn't deal %health true damage, it executes you if you're below a certain absolute health percent. Think of it like Darius R, except it only deals true damage if it would get the kill - in a sense it's like Urgot R, but without the AoE fear on execute.

The only access that Jax and Bard have to true damage without Ignite is the Conqueror rune, which I already mentioned how to play around (keep trades short - under 4 seconds ideally).

Wizard BlazeJun 24, 20182 votes

im sure Pyke R deals true damage. otherwise i would not complain

Tarquin96Jun 24, 20181 votes

Pyke r does true dmg only when executing , if your hp is higher it does the same amount in physical dmg( or maybe lower amount?)

InfernapeJun 24, 20182 votes

If your HP is below the threshold, the ability will deal the threshold's damage as physical damage. So you're right.

FixHealsRemoveGWJun 24, 20181 votes

If jax dealt 360 true damage he also dealt at least 1440 mixed damage (physical and magic), probably even more than that because conqueror activates with a delay.

You are just using the true damage as a pretence. Your real problem is that you are a bad loser and that you can't handle getting killed. Period.

Your whole post doesn't have a single trace of reasonable considerations. It's pure BS.

HàrrowRJun 24, 20181 votes

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The only % health true damage that exists in the game is on Fiora's vitals (passive + R) and Vayne W (technically also Garen R if you're the villain, but that's %missing). If neither is picked, there is no %health true damage being dealt.

The vast majority of true damage in the game is being dealt by Marksmen that build IE, and top laners that take the Conqueror rune. The conqueror rune converts 20% of damage dealt to true damage, lasting for 3 seconds (melee champions refresh it) after being in combat for 4 seconds. If you disengage off of a conqueror champion, or keep trades with them below 4 seconds, they won't get much damage out of it.

Infinity Edge gives 15% of crit damage as true damage now, because its previous iteration that increased crit damage was busted, because it turned crit marksmen into assassins, except they always had their damage up and couldn't miss it since it wasn't reliant on abilities.

There's also red smite, which acts like a mini-exhaust and causes AAs to apply a small true damage dot, but you need to be an AA focused jungler to really get the most out of it.

Ty for the information everyone else knows and can read by placing the mouse over the item/rune mr. Tooltip

LibroMastroJun 24, 20182 votes

League of True damage, League of Smurfs, League of Yasuo, League of Meta cancerous champions. At least with League of Tanks the game was somehow fun when there was no tank in either team

Wizard BlazeJun 24, 20181 votes

tbh the most enjoyable league was League of Censer, League of Tanks aside Ardent of Legends