Second daily reminder that Kog's Ult 'Buff' nerfed Marksmen Kog

Rebonack·Nov 29, 2016·1 votes·273 views

For those who are totally unaware of Kog, his Ult's poke potential was increased slightly (it's still a waste of mana on Marksmen Kog) but the power it brings to the table as an execute dropped dramatically (x2 damage at max rather than x3). Riot framed this change as a way to improve Marksmen Kog, but all it did was break AP Kog even harder, and now Riot is going to be knocking 0.2 off Kog's E AP ratio as a result. Given that the goal of the buff was completely missed reverting it seems like a decent plan.

The change to Kog's Ult also had a pretty big impact on how powerful the ability feels. You don't really notice incrementally increasing (but still bad) poke damage when a basic attack hits harder. But you do notice someone exploding instantly if they're under 25% HP.

8 Comments

EedatNov 29, 20162 votes

2nd reminder that it didn't nerf AD Kog. It just benefited AP Kog more

RebonackNov 29, 20161 votes

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2nd reminder that it didn't nerf AD Kog. It just benefited AP Kog more

Nah, it pretty explicitly nerfed Marksmen Kog. Win-rate dropped by a small but noticeable amount. Situations where Kog would have had a sure kill instead end with the target prancing away with ~100 HP. Feels bad.

EedatNov 29, 20161 votes

Except you don't use Kogs ult just as an execute?

RebonackNov 29, 20161 votes

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Except you don't use Kogs ult just as an execute?

True! You can also use it to ~~waste mana~~ do some minor poke damage in lane. This is where the 'feel' thing comes in. Dealing an extra 30ish damage to slightly injured targets isn't nearly as noticeable as exploding someone who's running for their life. Does that extra 30ish damage stack up if you manage to land several Ults? Well, sure. But it isn't particularly dramatic.

I'm in general agreement with you that if Riot wants to nerf AP Kog they should scale back his Ult range at levels 2 and 3. That's the thing they have a problem with, how difficult it is to interact with him. So it seems like weakening the problematic aspect would be a better route to take than nerfing everything other than the problematic aspect.

Would you be willing to take a 100/200 range nerf on Kog's Ult in exchange for not crippling his ratios?

EedatNov 29, 20161 votes

No, you use his ult throughout the fight for Triforce procs and extra damage lmao. The damage curve let's him do the damage damage throughout a fight

I'm sorry, but you seem to be blissfully unaware of how to use the champion you're talking about lol

RebonackNov 29, 20161 votes

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No, you use his ult throughout the fight for Triforce procs and extra damage lmao. The damage curve let's him do the damage damage throughout a fight

I'm sorry, but you seem to be blissfully unaware of how to use the champion you're talking about lol

If you're running Triforce on Kog then you should be using your W, Q, and E for Trinity procs. Space out the skills as needed. Spamming the Ult too early will prevent it from being used as a cleanup tool when the fight is winding down and leaves you with no safe recourse for damage when the W duration runs out.

Do you even play Marksmen Kog?

khorneyNov 29, 20161 votes

none of his abilities proc triforce..... procing triforce is like ezs q that is procing what your talking about is usuing a spell which then activates triforce... huge difference

khorneyNov 29, 20161 votes

umm actually you do there guy............seeing you do 2 times hte damage when people arelower