Alright. How about to finally make it worthy to buy. You know... Bonus AD R and passive?... Seriously. This is so damn annoying. When you have Steraks components and then you combine it into the item. Just feels wrong when your R burst just... go away after that.
PS Don't forget about removing 8.5 bonus ad from the game. He didn't get any compensatory small buffs at pbe yet (base dmg buff yep but nothing on passive and ultimate)
Yvaelle2 votesThe components give 40 AD (25+15).
Darius has 56 base AD +5 per level. So at level 6 he has 81 AD.
Completing Sterak's Gage gives you 50% bonus base AD, but removes the 40 AD you got from the components.
So at level 6, 50% of 81 AD is 40.5 AD, which is greater than the 40 AD you get from the components.
That means so long as you don't complete Sterak's Gage below level 6, your AD increases by completing the item (for Darius).
Salron6 votesThe point of the thread is that Darius's R scales with BONUS AD not TOTAL AD, which means that the BONUS AD you get from the components is lost and replaced with an increase to Darius' BASE AD, which means he is losing damage on his ult because once again, it scales with BONUS AD
Yvaelle1 votesAh I see.
Wouldn't a better solution be to reduce the base true damage on Noxian Guillotine, but make it scale more off total AD? This would be a nerf to Full Tank Darius, but a buff to glass cannon / high AD build Dariuses, and neutral impact to a standard build. Example:
Current R1 (@ level 6): Deals 100 (+ 75% bonus AD) true damage Proposed R1 (@ level 6): Deals 40 (+ 75% Attack Damage) true damage
At level 6 with Black Cleaver he would have 81 base AD + 50 AD (from BC) = 131 AD. Current R1 deals 100+37.5 = 137.5 damage Proposed R1 deals 40+98.25 = 138.25 damage
At level 6 with Sterak's Gage (instead of Black Cleaver) he would have 81 base AD + 40.5 added base AD (from SG) = 121.5 AD. Current R1 deals 100+0 = 100 damage Proposed R1 deals 40+91.125 = 131.125 damage
At level 18 with BC+SG+TH for damage he would have 141 base AD + 50 (BC) + 70.5 (SG) + 35 (TH) = 296.5 AD Current R3 (@ L18) deals 300 + 75% bonus AD (63.75 from BC+TH) = 363.75 damage Proposed R3 (@ L18) would deal 140 + 75% AD (222 from BC+SG+TH+base AD) = 362.4 damage.
So if instead you proposed that R should scale off total attack damage rather than bonus, then you would nerf the base damage from 100/200/300, down to 40/90/140, and SG wouldn't be a DPS loss on Darius's R anymore, but everything else would remain the same with a standard build.
Of course as mentioned, that would mean a Full Tank Darius build would deal less R damage, and a high AD build would deal more R damage - but I think that makes him better designed and more gear-flexible.
Sujiren1 votesIts a luxury item on darius anyway. Cleaver into deadmans plate is pretty core on darius for him to actually be able to do anything, and after that you just want to stack lots of resist and get really tanky. Steraks just does not give Darius the resist that he needs, and I wouldn't trade deadmans plate for steraks so...
FuhrerRico1 votesI disagree man, black cleaver is no longer enough for darius in this meta to be strong. I've been using Tri-force + Sterak's +deadman's and let me tell you, you delete most squishies. What other tanks items you choose are up to you, but to be consistently decent, it's a much better combo than BC now unfortunately. So I agree with OP, dar needs some form of better scaling interaction between passive, ultimate, and steraks than the current situation.
Shuriman Curator1 votesI disagree man, black cleaver is no longer enough for darius in this meta to be strong. I've been using Tri-force + Sterak's +deadman's and let me tell you, you delete most squishies. What other tanks items you choose are up to you, but to be consistently decent, it's a much better combo than BC now unfortunately. So I agree with OP, dar needs some form of better scaling interaction between passive, ultimate, and steraks than the current situation.
I've been doing that on Darius as well, it actually more fun too haha.
Sujiren1 votesIt's not Darius job to delete the squishies or dive the backline though. It's much easier to play Darius as a peeler/ counter engager and get that penta dunk going by getting your stacks on who ever tries to dive your team. Thats where being extremely tanky matters, you need to be tanky enough to survive till 5 stacks and proc the passive ad bonus.
