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Can we give Zyra a bit of love to increase "champion diversity"?

LongHair Fox·6/10/2015, 4:28:08 PM·7 votes·540 views

While Zyra saw some play a couple of seasons ago she has never really been played much since then. I think this in large part has to do with how clunky her ult feels due to its 3 seconds delay. Almost no other skills has a 3 second delay and those skills are typically offensive or global movement. Giving her a shorter delay of maybe 1.5 or 2 seconds would probably help her a great deal so she can use it reactively when an assassin jumps her or her adc.

While we are at it, it would also be nice if her plants did not get one shot by grump buff (since grump buff is counted as a single target spell and her plants take 4 damage from those the grump buff only has to tick two times). It would be nice to see them actually be able to last more than a second in fights so maybe reduce the damage they take from aoe and dots so they can still easily be taken down with some focus.

10 Comments

Narasimha6/10/2015, 11:53:59 PM3 votes

Speaking as a Zyra main, I'm going to go for 'no' on these ideas. Her has such a long delay, because it is THE largest hard cc in the game. The large radius combined with a knockup means the opposing team needs to have more than sufficient time to react. Combined with any other slow or root/stun, it becomes impossible to escape as is without blowing a flash. Also, it seems fine for her plants to take full damage from said abilties. These aren't Heim turrets. They aren't her primary source of damage (although a very very close secondary). A person should not be forced to focus one to kill it.

Cindikle6/10/2015, 10:23:06 PM2 votes

Her ult is honestly fine. The 3 second delay gives it stronger zoning power.

Her E gaining some speed would help her more to catch people in her ult as well as lane safety. Maybe even make it wider, but the root duration is only full strength in the middle.

That and make her passive work like Varus' Q. Allowing it to be used sooner, but it wont gain full range right away.

Krys Star6/11/2015, 1:16:36 AM2 votes

Personally, I kind of wish they'd rework Zyra so that Rampant Growth (W) was her passive, and she had a new W. Every couple of seconds, based on level, Zyra's abilities will lay a plant down. 2 charges or whatever. That, and/or give her passive an AP scaling of .10 or .15. She feels too much like a support, and less like a mage. I get she's a utility mage, but Riot pushed her into the support role too much with their changes.

I also wish her plants were invulnerable, much like Azir's, as they are her defining playstyle. They're stationary, their AI is awful, they don't prioritize champions, and her Q plant has mediocre range while her E has short range. It feels like a smack in the face when Azir's soldiers are stationary, but immune, with hard damage and being movable while also providing him mobility while Zyra's plants just... sit there. Sure, they're not the same champion but Zyra deserves to have reliable plants.

Stiv12346/10/2015, 8:32:14 PM1 votes

Zyras Problem imo is not the Ult Delay (since every squishy standing in the ult is usually already dead), but rather her E speed. It is so slow and if you miss it (which you do most of the time against mobile champs with 350 Base MS), anyone with a little bit of brain will just jump on her and kill her.

Edit: Her Ult actually already has a delay of 2 seconds, why does everyone say its 3?

Earl Eulrich6/10/2015, 10:06:13 PM1 votes

Zyra doesn´t need love, she needs a competent player and nerfs.