Why was the Vision totem removed?

Raoul·Dec 6, 2015·36 votes·1,837 views

Seriously, it was my favorite upgrade and since its gone, I feel like I cant do much against Vayne any more... I always bought it against Champions with Stealth, now I have to waste an item slot or allow them to just go berserk, since we dont have any counter any more.

Honestly, you guys always say "Stealth is soooo hard to balance" and then you remove 2 freaking counter Items at once... Of course stealth is hard to deal with IF YOU DONT GIVE US WAYS TO PLAY AGAINST IT!

22 Comments

KivolanDec 6, 20157 votes

Buff to those too stupid to use the upgrades, nerf for those of us who did.

Consumables shouldn't take up an item slot. It's dumb that once I'm full build I can't carry a pink around with me.

High5Dec 7, 20153 votes

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Buff to those too stupid to use the upgrades, nerf for those of us who did.

Consumables shouldn't take up an item slot. It's dumb that once I'm full build I can't carry a pink around with me.

Blue wards are on 60 sec cd. Sweeper can clear most of a quadrant. It's not just you either.

Vision is a team game a majority of players fail their team. This is both due to selfish and stupid players, but also Riot's non-existent tutorials.

When everyone uses the currently available tools, I'll get on board with buffing vision options.

revliledpembrokeDec 7, 20151 votes

It's great that there is a game that already has a spot for said consumables. Your opinion on whether you should be excited or sad that it's SMITE.

PolarEclipseDec 6, 20156 votes

to those who say " item 3364 lol" yeah, no.

It shows where they are, but it doesn't reveal them. So yeah, its not really the same thing.

legionnaire99Dec 6, 20153 votes

item 3364 ...

HalloweenDeathDec 6, 20152 votes

All that shows is position of stealthed units. You can't shoot them and sense it shows the position I think like every second or maybe less it's not the most useful thing to counter champions like alkali who can easily be 10 feet away from where the trinket says she is because of her mobility. It's not even REMOTELY as good as a pink ward to counter these champions and will still let stealth champions go berserk if that is all you relies on to spot them.

Espy PsycheDec 6, 20152 votes

We need to just bring back Oracle's Elixir/Oracle's Extract as a way to counter it. It would also make ward sweeping easier too and nerf vision.

ParallelityDec 6, 20152 votes

The red trinkets spot invisible units...

XIII VanitasDec 6, 20152 votes

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The red trinkets spot invisible units...

Spots with a small delay, so you can't really target them with point and click abilities or skillshots. You can only know in which area they are.

voidterror1Dec 7, 20152 votes

I think the upgraded red trinket is supposed to be sad excuse for a counter to stealth champs now. Great, we can see where they are, but we can't hit them or do anything until their stealth is gone.

3TWarriorDec 7, 20152 votes

mages and abilities can

XIII VanitasDec 6, 20151 votes

Imo, Riot should bring the pink totem back or just give us the possibility to store pinks in another item slot designed only for that, just like the trinket item slot.

okinoDec 6, 20151 votes

BECAUSE PEOPLE KEPT POSTING THREADS ON UPGRADING TRINKETS AND NO ONE LISTENED... EXCEPT RIOT. So now everyone's dreams have come true and you get free auto-upgraded trinkets! Hurrah.

RogueWillDec 6, 20151 votes

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BECAUSE PEOPLE KEPT POSTING THREADS ON UPGRADING TRINKETS AND NO ONE LISTENED... EXCEPT RIOT. So now everyone's dreams have come true and you get free auto-upgraded trinkets! Hurrah.

Except the blue one is so much better. You can ward your whole jungle in a really short time and have your jungle quite light. I have been getting it on top lately and just spam it coming out of CD, if the jungler comes and clears one I just put it back again, nothing can beat the 40 sec CD

RedTrinketGoneHaDec 6, 20151 votes

because they were too damn cheap considering the fact they made champs that have stealth only have 3 abilities.

3TWarriorDec 7, 20152 votes

well, vayne gets a tankbuster and dash and crowd control

twitch got nothing

wukong's is actually a damage ability in disguise

shaco's Q increases his critical damage by almost 10%

evelynn has all active abilities but has been nerfed to non-existance

rengar...you're kidding right?

khazix, his stealth is his active but he can use it again rapidly and is among the best at taking out single targets (but he's so squishy he only does so much)

teemo, well, teemo is the devil but he's not much of a fight considering his primary damage makes him less effective against tanks and his range makes him less effective against others

LankPantsDec 7, 20151 votes

twitch got nothing

Twitch has an AS steroid attached to his stealth. It's still super underwhelming if you can't use the stealth though.

wukong's is actually a damage ability in disguise

The only time people get hit by decoys damage is when the damage doesn't matter or they're a potato. In either case the ability still isn't doing much.

You also forgot Akali, who's W is almost pure stealth. The ability is just a waste of energy or a very mediocre slow if she can't stealth with it.

High5Dec 7, 20151 votes

When people start upgrading trinkets and consistently buying 75g pink wards, I'll support increasing vision options.

When people don't use the tools available to them, it's hard to ask for more vision options.

WimbledofyDec 7, 20151 votes

so the people that do use them should be punished because of the players that don't? People consistently buy pink wards in high elos and trinket upgrades don't exist.

HoseeDec 7, 20151 votes

item 3341 and item 3364 are both totem upgrades that reveal stealth and wards... So idk what you're trying to say in your Vayne example.

Naomi CoffeeGoatDec 7, 20152 votes

They reveal stealthed champs, but at a very slow updating image and it's not like you can even target them.

HoseeDec 7, 20151 votes

item 3364 shows a silhouette of the person. item 3341 reveals them entirely. It's just that ever since these new totems came out everyone forgot what was because they all think is the best one, which isn't true. So why downvote me when you don't know the facts.