The best analogy for the state of Jhin's balance.

Joxcab··2 votes·1,068 views

If you put a Diamond player against Silver and Golds, who's going to win? Almost always the Diamond, duh.

The ELOs here are the same as the strength tier of the ADCs.

Does one ADC being good and others being bad make the first broken? No, it just means the latter ADCs are weak.

If you center balance around weak, then you get weak. If you center it around someone good without being broken, then the rest become good as well.

And I'd think the last thing you ADC mains would want is to weaken all ADCs as a whole.

The majority of the reason Jhin is overbearing right now is Lethality, damage creep, and the meta being focused around utility ADCs.

Lethality is cheaper and better in early than crit. Everyone gangbangs botlane. Crit ADCs don't get a chance to scale. Utility ADCs will always be useful even from behind due to utility even if they have no damage. Not much obviously, but more than a crit ADC. Lethality still melts towers as ADCs are supposed to. Lethality AD casters erase squishies as high damage champions are supposed to, meaning the enemy team lost the carries to fight back with.

Once Lethality is nerfed and some way is made to strengthen the weaker ADCs a bit, Jhin will go back into line.

Nerfing Jhin first will Sejuani him when the Lethality nerfs unavoidably come later.

22 Comments

ChargeItDownMid2 votes

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Joxcab1 votes

What does this have to do with anything?

ChargeItDownMid2 votes

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Joxcab1 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Do you not get that I am speaking relative to other marksmen?

HudnofskiBleh1 votes

If most of the marksmen are at one level, and Jhin is at a higher level, then that would make Jhin at a higher level than most other ADCs. That would mean Jhin is stronger than most ADCs, not that most ADCs are weak. Buffing ADCs to make them as strong as Jhin wouldn't make them balanced, the entire class would just be out of control because of how strong they would be. Characters like Tristana don't need a buff. It's just that Jhin is so strong, why would anyone want to pick Tristana over Jhin or some other ADC as strong as him?

Joxcab1 votes

You got it the other way around.

HudnofskiBleh1 votes

I'm trying to say you got it the other way around. The game should be balanced around the majority of the marksmen, not just a few OP champs like Jhin. You think that they should move all of the other ADCs to Jhin's level, instead of bringing Jhin down to normal ADC levels. That idea would just make ADCs busted.

Joxcab1 votes

Wrong. Other ADCs are quite terrible. Jhin will be fine when Lethality is nerfed out of its currently broken state.

HudnofskiBleh1 votes

"Wrong other ADCs are terrible."

Did you just state that as fact, when characters like Ashe and Tristana are masters at objective taking and melting frontlines? This conversation is obviously just going to be you stating stupid things as fact. Bye.

Joxcab1 votes

Bye, continue to indulge yourself in ignorance.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

No it won't Sejauni him lol. He was a top tier pick with his crit build as well. He is like Ashe, his utility + range alone makes him permanently viable. Unlike a tank like Sej, he isn't reliant on his numbers too much. He is strong because of his mechanics, high numbers just make him overbearing.

Joxcab1 votes

And if he gets nerfed because of Lethality, he's going to be weaker on crit too. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Which is good. Because building crit he was still overbearing and a top pick.

Joxcab1 votes

Because when he was building Crit, that was before a few other nerfs he got, when he was still overtuned?

Zarvanis1 votes

You completely missed the point of what Mira Arya Enthe just said.

Jhin will always be viable no matter how much he's nerfed because he's so versatile. The only way he won't be is if Riot completely dumpsters him like Aatrox Kindred Kalista Azir (Although Kindred and Aatrox are making somewhat of a comeback)

Joxcab1 votes

And what's wrong with always being viable as long as it's not overpowered?

The only reason he's viable is because he has a better earlygame as an AD caster over a traditional marksman and his utility, in the earlygame and utility marksman meta.

Zarvanis2 votes

Nothing. What did I say that could possibly give you the impression that I have a problem with that?

Joxcab1 votes

So then what's wrong? He is in that state of position. Lethality is what is boosting him to unhealthy levels. Like how it's boosting almost every relevant AD caster to unhealthy levels.

Zarvanis2 votes

I don't think you're reading what I'm saying. You keep spouting things that are completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about.

You're obviously delusion, and I can't even begin to imagine the jumbled mess of nonsense going on in your head. http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/joke-battles/images/f/f4/ZdqjCoL.gif/revision/latest?cb=20151202002914?noredirect

Joxcab1 votes

Okay, I should have clarified. What's Mira (not you) even going on about when what s/he is saying isn't relevant?

khorney1 votes

umm correction crit works different on jhin like it does on ashe and graves . these 3 are on a island of their own when it comes to crit. sure people are like rush lethality on varus and im like umm no im not doing that weak caster crap on him and when i was called a troll for building the items i was and when all of a sudden i was 1v2 with ease and carrying with ease those people saw the power of what i was building and said wow i didnt realize how strong your build was. But why nerf lethlaity i really do not get why people say its op thi sand that. my ? to these people is where were you with flat armor pent which is actually stronger for the fact that lethlity works on lvl based not the whole amount from the start. the whole varus thing was in respond to people being tunnel visioned into a build and everything else being a troll. the 2nd point is that my friend was playing as varus the other day and he was like 6 and 2 in lane and was building weak via see when i was playing as taric and varus was the adc it was a couple days ago and why he built black cleaver and he called me a noob lol umm my main i have hundreds of matches on varus i pretty sure i can tell you what works more efficiently but dont listen.

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