Why does Shen get punished for last hitting with Q?

Chaotic Reks·Apr 10, 2015·34 votes·2,439 views

He is instantly healed for 33% of the regular heal over time. Why is he punished for last hitting with it?

12 Comments

j jApr 10, 201526 votes

It's a measure so the enemy has a way to counter his sustain. If he can only last hit from a distance with Q then he is not sustaining and the enemy is successfully zoning him.

Chaotic ReksApr 10, 20158 votes

thanks for clarifying that for me

Rew711Apr 10, 20152 votes

But, the problem is that his Q does deal good damage, but has a hard time killing. It would be fair if they did a 40% of heal or 10/20/30/40/50% of heal if it kills an enemy.

RenailleApr 10, 20154 votes

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But, the problem is that his Q does deal good damage, but has a hard time killing. It would be fair if they did a 40% of heal or 10/20/30/40/50% of heal if it kills an enemy.

As someone who mostly plays Shen in ranked, I'd rather have 33% heal constantly rather than the scaling heal.

DurzakaApr 10, 20159 votes

As mentioned, it is a way of balancing the sustain. If he wants the most sustain, he needs to Q a max health minion and AA it. Which both pushes the wave, and makes him vulnerable to counter damage.

If he last hits with it, he just gets a free heal.

SEKAIApr 10, 20159 votes

Compensation done right I guess.

Then we look at Veigar and Morde.

RIP Tahm KenchApr 10, 20155 votes

It actually used to give no heal at all way back when (probably before season 3). Not saying its a reason to not make it heal more, but still it took a lot of persuading to get a small change.

TenSlashTenApr 10, 20152 votes

All the ninja's are punished for last hitting with Q honestly.

Even broken zed/(fuck zed.. i hope he gets gutted one day.. I really do)

Its dumb but still.

SinlaireApr 10, 20152 votes

also look at it this way. the heal gives 100% over 3 seconds. refreshes every time an enemy struck by the vorpal is struck. well 1 second of 3 seconds is roughly 33% of the time.

so essentially you're getting 1/3 of the heal for free without even having to strike them for just by last hitting. fair mechanic is fair, even if a little weak.

RyzeReworkApr 10, 20151 votes

they nerf warmongs upgrade tank prices and shen once a great ninja still useless ._.

Slamurai JackApr 11, 20151 votes

I prefer to view it as Shen being rewarded for using his Q to push or trade as opposed to being punished for using it to last hit.

TussApr 11, 20151 votes

I'm personally just annoyed that it doesn't refund the energy used to cast it if it kills, but that's probably because I'm used to such mechanics like on Gangplank or Annie.