The problem with ranged steroids botlane

z63XnLCMwX··6 votes·3,701 views

It doesn't matter if they're not strong, it makes the lane unfun to play. Not the regular ranged adc like Draven, Ashe, Sivir, but ones like Jhin, Cait along with support like Xerath and Velkoz. You are forced to play like a little bitch and avoid cs to not get poked down. Every time you look at their mana to see if they run out after spamming 6 spells they only lose 20% of their max, so back to playing like a wimp. There is no non-jg dependent way to punish ranged steroid lane bullies. It's pretty much the nidalee effect all over again, they can miss 9/10 skill shots on you, but if they manage to land 1, half of your health is gone.

"Oh champs like Xerath runs out off mana fast!"

No. The minute he comes back bot with a t2 frostfang and a lost chapter he can never go oom with proper mana management.

At this rate, we may see divers bot do deal with the bullshit ranged steroid champs.

14 Comments

Bronze GOAT6 votes

I don't know why you mentioned Jhin and Cait. Alone those champs can't poke you out of lane unless you play like shit or something. The problems are Xerath and Velkoz, but even they have their weaknesses. All in sups like Pyke or Blitz counter them pretty hard tbh.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

Who doesn't Pyke counter.

Minimac20001 votes

[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hhEnWgo7,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-01-13T22:33:42.081+0000)

Who doesn't Pyke counter.

Pyke doesn't counter Pyke exceptionally well xd

(P.s. Leona almost always hard stomps pyke)

wolvius1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hhEnWgo7,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-01-13T22:33:42.081+0000)

Who doesn't Pyke counter.

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_912,h_516,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/shape/cover/sport/5c34ca7160a2752580000004.jpeg

z63XnLCMwX1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hhEnWgo7,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-01-13T22:33:42.081+0000)

Who doesn't Pyke counter.

Annie. Her point click stun burst combo can usually 100-0 him.

z63XnLCMwX1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bronze GOAT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hhEnWgo7,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-13T19:37:15.078+0000)

I don't know why you mentioned Jhin and Cait. Alone those champs can't poke you out of lane unless you play like shit or something. The problems are Xerath and Velkoz, but even they have their weaknesses. All in sups like Pyke or Blitz counter them pretty hard tbh.

Less so from damage but, more from their snares, setting up for the burst mage combo. You can avoid it, but can you guarantee your bot partner can? Blitz can be kited pretty easily as long as you stay out of his grab range, pyke is a bit more difficult, but all they have to do is play safe and focus on poking the adc.

sobi9993 votes

Maybe in lower elo's mages pose this much threat since no one actually plays counter champions but if you look at statistics, you can see brand/zyra being overall dominant but in higher elos, burst mage supports are not prevalent.

if you look at any recent patch changes, i cannot for once see any buffs to support items, relevant to mages or any buffs to mages in particular. Must have been people realizing that damage is the way to win games and what is better than to do it from a mile away?

The other day i saw a jhin build full lethality, he could 2 shot any squishy in the game and when he got fed, he was 2 shotting with his ult only. His W did 30-40% damage from that distance and to make it worse, he had dark harvest.

I mean if anything, mages are not the real problem here. Mana management is crucial for mages if want to stand a chance against assassins and divers currently, but the damage i can agree is way too out of hand.

I know riot does not want a stale game and keeps making changes for the sake of change, but i think we have suffered this damage meta for one whole season and it took at least 2-3 seasons to get here. So we more than likely will not mind if the damage is lowered and all of us had to change our playstyle.

GigglesO1 votes

Both burst mages and poke mages are cancer to fight botlane. Stepped 1/4 teemo too close = dead.

Anime Fizz2 votes

So your problem is with mages in the bot lane.

And yes, dont lump cait in the blame there, its 100% the mages fault for the obnoxious play pattern thats happening bot lane right now.

GigglesO1 votes

Not fully. Getting grabbed by blitz/thresh/Leona , cait trapped, blitz/thresh flayed/Leo stunned, cait trapped dead is pretty uninteresting and Unnteractive

Daddy Ants1 votes

{quoted}

Not fully. Getting grabbed by blitz/thresh/Leona , cait trapped, blitz/thresh flayed/Leo stunned, cait trapped dead is pretty uninteresting and Unnteractive

Caitlyn is an uninteractive champion as a whole.

Lhuhz2 votes

Ashe has 600 range and her W 1200 range btw, if you play her you would know that she can poke los range adcs easily.

But anyway, it's not like champs as Lucian Kaisa and Vayne since the buff need more help.

The idea of botlane meta being all about range is just false.

Death by Glamour1 votes

velkoz is particularly guilty of this, atleast xerath has a mana return passive

LowPsyco1 votes

Play rakan. Heal up shield up poke in lane. Wait for teamfights. Win the game because youre more usefull than them. Easy Lp

More from Gameplay

More by z63XnLCMwX