Why does almost every mage build the same items ?

Angelofchaos16x·Dec 1, 2015·1 votes·709 views

Mage items really don't vary. Other then the mana related item, every mage gets pretty much the same thing : You need for the incredible Ap it gives , you need so you can have good late game damage, is almost always needed at some point of the game, so that leaves 1 spot (Boots take up 1 spot 2) for creativity , that ends up being either a Luden's or a Rylais, most of the time. This is unhealthy, because if all champs have about the same build, then the strongest champ is the one that can abuse of that items power the most.

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Lights And MagicDec 1, 20152 votes

Mana spammy mages get item 3003 Bruisery mages get item 3027 Assassin-y mages with an onhit ability get item 3100 Dot mages get item 3151 If a mage needs MR, they get item 3174 and/or item 3001 Pushing mages get item 3060

Much better than early S4 where the build path for every ADC was item 3072 > item 3006 > item 3031 > item 3046 > item 3035 > item 3026

Angelofchaos16xDec 1, 20151 votes

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Mana spammy mages get Bruisery mages get Assassin-y mages with an onhit ability get Dot mages get If a mage needs MR, they get and/or Pushing mages get

Much better than early S4 where the build path for every ADC was >>>>>

ROA , Tear and Athens are the Mana related item that I did not complain about. And the mages that get Abyssal or Lich bane, get it as that item that is actually up to you.Legion is more bought by supports then by mid lane mages and Liandry is dot mage exclusive, but they still need void staff. And I am saying this exactly because the adc item build path was heavily modified, so the mages deserve help as well

Lights And MagicDec 1, 20153 votes

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ROA , Tear and Athens are the Mana related item that I did not complain about. And the mages that get Abyssal or Lich bane, get it as that item that is actually up to you

EXACTLY SO NOT EVERY MAGE BUILDS THE SAME ITEMS [slayer-jinx-catface]

edit: also not every mage needs a zhonyas. I hardly ever build zhonyas nowadays unless I'm getting caught out a lot

Angelofchaos16xDec 1, 20151 votes

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EXACTLY SO NOT EVERY MAGE BUILDS THE SAME ITEMS [slayer-jinx-catface]

edit: also not every mage needs a zhonyas. I hardly ever build zhonyas nowadays unless I'm getting caught out a lot

Tell me, where by changing 2 items per champion called diversity ?

RavenhaleDec 1, 20151 votes

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EXACTLY SO NOT EVERY MAGE BUILDS THE SAME ITEMS [slayer-jinx-catface]

edit: also not every mage needs a zhonyas. I hardly ever build zhonyas nowadays unless I'm getting caught out a lot

I was thinking that too. I mean, sure, item 3135 item 3089 item 3020 are probably going to remain core, but the other three items almost always depend on champion and opponents. The only way to provide more diversity would be to create alternates of or to remove the AP boost on it.

Lights And MagicDec 1, 20151 votes

YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BUILD VOID STAFF LIKE IF THERE ARE NO TANKY CHAMPS ON THE ENEMY TEAM (ie if you're against yasuo top, yi jungle, syndra mid, adc corki, and karma support)

RavenhaleDec 1, 20151 votes

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YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BUILD VOID STAFF LIKE IF THERE ARE NO TANKY CHAMPS ON THE ENEMY TEAM (ie if you're against yasuo top, yi jungle, syndra mid, adc corki, and karma support)

You do realize that Void Staff becomes more valuable with the purchase of one MR item. For argument sake, assume any champion with a 30MR base (doesn't increase with levels on many champions) has a full set of MR blues (12 MR). That's 42 MR which Void staff will only reduce 14.7 while Abyssal will drop 20 and Haunting will do 15. Null Mantle has 25 MR on it. Suddenly Void reduces MR by 23.45. One item and Void becomes more useful in penetration, and carries more AP than Abyssal or Haunting (though Haunting can be upgraded to Liandry for a little more health). Void also has no range on its penetration, unlike Abyssal (700 range). I just don't see your argument here that you would build something other than Void for magic penetration, but then again, I am assuming we are talking about long range mages and that penetration is desired, since you did list it with Abyssal and Haunting.

Lights And MagicDec 5, 20151 votes

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You do realize that Void Staff becomes more valuable with the purchase of one MR item. For argument sake, assume any champion with a 30MR base (doesn't increase with levels on many champions) has a full set of MR blues (12 MR). That's 42 MR which Void staff will only reduce 14.7 while Abyssal will drop 20 and Haunting will do 15. Null Mantle has 25 MR on it. Suddenly Void reduces MR by 23.45. One item and Void becomes more useful in penetration, and carries more AP than Abyssal or Haunting (though Haunting can be upgraded to Liandry for a little more health). Void also has no range on its penetration, unlike Abyssal (700 range). I just don't see your argument here that you would build something other than Void for magic penetration, but then again, I am assuming we are talking about long range mages and that penetration is desired, since you did list it with Abyssal and Haunting.

I mean that's also assuming you don't buy Sorc shoes and have zero pen already in your runes/masteries.

Lights And MagicDec 1, 20151 votes

You can choose between item 3174 or item 3165 or item 3027 or item 3003 , depending on whether the enemy has heals or you need mr or health or late game scaling. You can build item 3001 or item 3136 or item 3135 depending on if you want early game power/late game power or tankiness. You don't even HAVE to build deathcap. For instance you can go a full push build and get item 3165 / item 3174 , item 3060 , item 3285

YOU EVEN HAVE A CHOICE ON WHAT YOU WANT TO START WITH: item 1056 / item 1082 / item 2033 / item 2031

Only idiots will build the same items every game.

Zorae42Dec 1, 20151 votes

I think a more accurate description is that each mage builds the same things every game.

Different mages build differently. But aside from minor decisions like: if we're stomping potentially grab mejai's, if they have AP build Athene's instead of Morellos (assuming you're the mage that builds either), if they have no tank then dump void, if they have no ad assassins/strong burst potentially drop Zhonya's, builds are pretty much the same on the same champ every game. Build order can vary wildly depending on the situation, but you usually wind up with the exact same items every time (if given time to reach full build which is admittedly less common now)

Tanks build differently depending on if the enemy team is heavy ad/ap/mixed (or even dmg if they don't need to be quite so tanky) ADCs have all sorts of choices now Fighters have choices between more dmg/tankiness

Mages... Pretty much the same every time. Just a question of what order you buy it in.