Small random question about league firearms

Mandalorian 117··20 votes·1,515 views

As a weapons enthusiast, I've been thinking, what caliber would Caitlyn Jinx Gangplank MissFortune weapon use, and what gauge is Graves Urgot shotguns using? Tristana know Tristana has 357 caliber cannon, what about the rest? Stupid question I know, but I'm just curious.

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ChompyWulf16 votes

Well Caitlyn fires a 90 caliber net, so that kinda answers that.

Dueling pistols typically had calibers run between .45 and .65, so MF and GP pistols probably fall between there. Judging by size in hand, guessing MFs are more like .60s while GP looks about .50.

Given how portable and relatively small Jinx's chaingun is, I'm wagering it's .223.

Graves shotgun is such a monster I'm saying its gotta be 8 gauge at least, while with how Urgots knee cannons look, they seem almost more like some kind of blast vents than actual guns.

Ebonmaw Dragon10 votes

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Well Caitlyn fires a 90 caliber net, so that kinda answers that.

Dueling pistols typically had calibers run between .45 and .65, so MF and GP pistols probably fall between there. Judging by size in hand, guessing MFs are more like .60s while GP looks about .50.

Given how portable and relatively small Jinx's chaingun is, I'm wagering it's .223.

Graves shotgun is such a monster I'm saying its gotta be 8 gauge at least, while with how Urgots knee cannons look, they seem almost more like some kind of blast vents than actual guns.

I dont know anything about guns, but based on how big the bullets of the guns that Miss Fortune and Gangplank are, i wouldnt be surprised that the caliber of those weapons is bigger than the ones of guns from planet Earth, after all, they have magic. Just look at the size of those cannons.

JustaNewb1 votes

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Mandalorian 1171 votes

Very good assumptions, it even gave me some ideas for research. I didn't know if cait's net is like an attachment to the gun (like a grenade launcher) and it fires an alternate round, or if they are the same caliber. I forgot that flintlocks they went by pounds and not calibers. Apologies. I just thought of something for jinx, I went the get jinxed music video and saw the brass that pow pow was ejecting. They didn't look like rifle casings, they looked like pistol casings. Pretty big ones too. Grave's monstrosity is really weird. I saw the new dawn cinematic, and the shell is the size of his hand. It kinda matches a 4 gauge. As for urgot, I couldn't tell if he had some kind of cannon for his S H O T G U N K N E E S, or if it's like you said, a vent. Really good post.

JustaNewb9 votes
  • Graves: 12 Gauge.
  • Caitlyn: .90 Cal. Recoiless Rifle (net causes recoil due to weight.)
  • Urgot: 50mm Cannon
  • Jinx: .223 that rotates to a 40mm launcher.
  • Miss Fortune: Two half pound flintlocks. Not a caliber.
  • Gangplank: .50 Cal (only due to modernized skins. His original is also a half pound flintlock.)
The Soulforged1 votes

The bullet and net should cause the same recoil if the gun fires with the same force because physics.

JustaNewb3 votes

No. The bullets are aerodynamic, and do not expand immediately upon expulsion. The net, however, does, delivering more returned force to the barrel than the compensation mechanism could ever allow... thus blowing her back.

I have scienced Cait before, on a dark night.

ADC5LUT4 votes

did you science the thiccness of her thighs?

The Soulforged1 votes

The resistance the bullet/net receives after leaving the rifle doesn't affect the knockback on caitlyn... Why am I doing this?

JustaNewb1 votes

Because it's amusing.

However - 'kick' is not caused by combustion, it is caused by pressure differential at the muzzle.

ahferroin71 votes

No, not quite. The net would still logically cause more recoil, but not because of any kind of external ballistics.

Once the projectile leaves the barrel, it has ZERO impact on the behavior of the rest of the firearm other than impacting how the hot gas leaves the muzzle. A net wouldn't have enough impact on the dispersal, even assuming it's made of thick metal, because the gas would just go around it. The reason it would cause more recoil is that you need a much heavier powder charge to launch an amorphous (and functionally porous) projectile, which in turn results in more bolt thrust (the rearward-force of the casing on the bolt-face that accounts for most of the actual (not perceived) recoil).

INoble KnightI1 votes

Wouldn't Graves' shotgun be a bit bigger than a 12 gauge? Also don't forget that thing shoots a damn Smoke canister. That shotgun looks like the barrels are small cannons.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

I looked at the get jinxed video, and it doesn't look like her minigun is eject rifle rounds. I might be wrong, but looks like pistol casings.

JustaNewb1 votes

It's possible she uses a 9mm or similar calibered round.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

It looks like 9mm, 45 cal, or maybe (i'm stretching this, but it sounds epic) .500 S&W. Which is a .50 cal pistol round. The necklace she wears kinda looks kinda like a larger pistol cartridge.

Velzard of Koz5 votes

Everyone here talking expert shit about guns and I'm here thinking why did I even enter when I have no idea what others are talking about. I need to find exit, plz help.

Celebrimborr2 votes

same but this led me to find a funny video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wssCnvuVbU

Velzard of Koz1 votes

LoL. So OP, plz nerf.

Celebrimborr1 votes

That thing would probably vaporize me

Mandalorian 1171 votes

That looks about right.

morris14 votes

Graves passive says it's 12-gauge.

INoble KnightI1 votes

yeah but look at the splash art and it's easy to call bullshit on that lol

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

General rule of thumb is to not trust what Riot says about weaponry. They don’t know crap.

Enchanté4 votes

Damn so many gun knowledge here

How about Jhin's two seperate guns? And the combined sniper rifle?

Mandalorian 1171 votes

I knew I was forgetting a champion. Jhin makes his own ammo, but I think the people that set him free gave him the gun. It's aparently explodes on impact into a flower shape (like when you kill someone in game, that's how it works in lore) but it certainly is a heavy caliber.

Raven Redeemed3 votes

I wonder what lux Lucian’s pistols operate at.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

I'm not really sure what Lucian's are. They certainly aren't conventional. Maybe because he's from demacia, the weapons are made of petricite, so mayeb that's why it has a massive effect on the undead.

50000000000000003 votes

I think Lucian's weapon is actual magic, so probably not petricite. There was like a secret group of Demacians who use magic to help Demacia, and Lucian used to be a part of that iirc.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

Maybe he had dealings with the same group Lux is with. They don't mind magic, maybe him and his wife are/were agents for them. I don't know the entire story though.

Criomhthann1 votes

I have gotten the distinct impression that the people who made this game and write the lore are noguns and therefore can't really answer this question.

Rather they seem to go with what they think looks or sounds cool, which is easy to do with guns because even mundane guns are fucking awesome.

Mandalorian 1171 votes

You might be right, but I think it would be cool if they did some research on them as they made the weapons.

ahferroin71 votes

First off, either Tristana's cannon is not .357, or she is insanely small (.357 is just over a third of an inch bore (roughly 9mm), scaling based on that, she's less than a foot tall). Last I checked, Yordles are about 3 feet tall, and her cannon is about 2/5 her height, which would make it a much larger size (in caliber, that would be 14.4 roughly, which is just over a foot in diameter in the bore).

Graves shotgun is probably at least 8 gauge given model scale (fun fact, lower gauge means larger bore), while Urgot's knees appear to most likely be some kind of vent, not an actual shotgun.

Cait's gun should be somewhere around a .308 or .30-06, based both on scale and the fact that it's a hunting rifle (.30-06 is the highest standard hunting round for things not considered 'big game'), but she has an ability called '90 Caliber Net', which would imply that it's a .90 (or higher) caliber gun (such a thing does exist, search '.950 JDJ' on Google and you can find info (and a lot of funny Youtube videos)), which would imply she's using a hunting rifle almost twice the caliber of standard anti-material rifles (most such rifles are either .50 BMG, or 14.5x114mm (which is .57 caliber)), and implies she has absolutely insane upper body strength or that the gun itself has some kind of magical recoil compensation system.

Jinx's minigun is most likely either a .223/5.56x45mm (the same as the US M16 rifle, M4 carbine, and M249 light-machine gun) or .308/7.62x51mm (the same as the US M14 rifle, the European FAL, and the US M60 machine gun). Anything much larger caliber than that would be too hard to manage the recoil for (unless like Caitlyn's rifle it has some kind of magical recoil suppression system). Her rocket launcher appears to be a lightweight recoilless rifle with an internal counterweight.

Gangplank's pistol is a filntlock or caplock styled after a smoothbore single-shot pistol typically found in the times of Blackbeard (the smoothbore aspect is further reinforced by the short range of his Q, and the single-shot aspect is reinforced by the long CD). Given model size, I would guess it's probably about .52 caliber (most such pistols were designed to fire musket balls, which were typically just over .50 caliber).

Fortune appears to be wielding a pair of dueling pistols with a design based on a blunderbuss (she is very obviously not wielding a pair of blunderbuss, as they were essentially primitive shotguns, and fortune is very obviously firing single projectiles). Similar to gangplank, they appear to be flintlocks or caplocks, though they have to have some kind of magical reloading system, as the visible design would only allow for a single projectile. As far as what caliber, my guess would be at least .50, probably much higher (back in the times of black-powder firearms, it was not uncommon to find handguns with very large bores).

Mandalorian 1171 votes

It's just what she said in her joke. I didn't know if 357 meant something else for cannons or if that IS the joke.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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First off, either Tristana's cannon is not .357, or she is insanely small (.357 is just over a third of an inch bore (roughly 9mm)

I think that you got it wrong, she is not insanely small, the thing is insanely BIG. She doesnt say .357, she says 357.. which means that the cannon is not 0.357 inches... its 357 inches.

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