Why do all the cool, and extremely powerful, defensive mechanics belong to carries?

ThurgotOfThunder··6 votes·1,265 views

With no drawbacks.

Death's Dance, Phantom Dancer, Spear of Shojin. The coolest tank item is Gargoyle's, which has been nerfed hard because Cho abused it, and also reduces your damage output by 60%. Lol.

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Shukr4n4 votes

carries doesnt stack 3000hp and 200 armor and mr.

Kanzler4 votes

Frozen heart? Thornmail? Adaptive helm? Spirit visage? Warmogs?

  1. your point is entirely opinion based on what you think is "cool"
  2. your post sucks.
ThurgotOfThunder2 votes

Attack speed reduction? Cool. Adaptive helm is a great example of a cool, situationally powerful effect. I like it a lot actually. Spirit Visage is either the only MR item you need, or you're wasting money on stats you don't want, IE any tank with no sustain. Warmoggs is great, but having 800 more hp only does so much when you get crit for 500 twice a second.

Don't be condescending because you disagree. My post is about powerful % based damage reduction and how they could balance tank items by finding a home for that on some of them and reducing the amount of armor pen/shred in the game, which would be an overall buff to the health of the game, in my opinion.

Kanzler1 votes

Death's dance doesnt reduce any damage. It just staggers it. So your "focus" wasnt all that focused.

You ignored the whole regen factor of warmogs.

And again, your post only mentions them as being "cool".

All of that said, your post doesn't suck because i disagree with you. It sucks because it poorly conveys any idea you may have had, all the while lacking any sort of supporting evidence beyond subjective feelings.

Colton1473 votes

All AP champions are invalidated by item 1033.

Asterfix2 votes

Well with the new IE Randuins will be alot more powerful since it will be able to reduce crit damage to 180% rather than 230%. But I think we need a new one, or a smaller item that has that passive that builds into Randuins and another new item. Releasing a bunch of crit and atk speed items doesn't bother me, but not releasing more tank items does. Wasn't there a crit reduction mastery before rune reforged?

Gear Jammer1 votes

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Well with the new IE Randuins will be alot more powerful since it will be able to reduce crit damage to 180% rather than 230%. But I think we need a new one, or a smaller item that has that passive that builds into Randuins and another new item. Releasing a bunch of crit and atk speed items doesn't bother me, but not releasing more tank items does. Wasn't there a crit reduction mastery before rune reforged?

Actually the passive will do less. Cause 20% of a smaller number is less than 20% of a bigger number.

P.s. some math guy show an example please I can do math but it makes my head hurt so I don't.

Asterfix1 votes

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Actually the passive will do less. Cause 20% of a smaller number is less than 20% of a bigger number.

P.s. some math guy show an example please I can do math but it makes my head hurt so I don't.

You're probably right, I just assumed it would negate the % increase in damage that crits do.

Hyquiem2 votes

I agree even if they don’t build direct resistance or armor they have ways to avoid burst plus they also have big bulky supports. Almost every mid laner gets blasted by an adc.

Stuârt1 votes

Scuttle Crab's ExP > Death's Dance, Phantom Dancer, Spear of Shojin. #HardFacts

420 grams1 votes

item 3040 item 3025 Ezreal That's where you're wrong kiddo

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

I'm not exactly sure what your point is.

Tanks don't need all those fancy kind of defensive techniques, because they are just straight up building enough raw stats that they trump them on numbers alone.

Carry defensive items are generally designed to give more then flat stats would allow, provided that they are actually engaging in being offensive (lifesteal isn't doing anything if you aren't attacking)

jocomotion1 votes

Yeah item 3193 and item 3083 get out of here! No one likes you anyway! Who needs ultra rapid healing and to become a literal giant!

Blades of Navori1 votes

Spear of Sho can't be used by marksmen because of its range, it's only viable on fighters like Riven, Jax, Renekton, Camille who go into fights and get instantly murdered by marksmen. If you mean Carry as in "Melee carry" and maybe Yasuo, then sure, but what's cool about something that just gives you damage reduction? My favorite item personally by design is item 3512. It gives you a little voidling army that attacks the enemy base, it's pretty damn cool and no carries, melee or ranged, use it.

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