Add some form of counterplay against vayne for a tank

Soda Popkillski··20 votes·1,593 views

She is a tank analfucker, the fact that the tanks can't do ANYTHING with this is just stupid. She's got invisibility, a dash on a 0.00001 second cooldown and a point and click knockback, she is literally better at kiting than kalista, and it's a safer form of kiting. Just please, some form of counterplay for a tank. I'm sick of not being able to do jack shit about this toxic as hell popular champ.

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brad18 votes

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She's got invisibility,

pink ward?

a dash on a 0.00001 second cooldown

not quite

and a point and click knockback,

so does jayce, is he op too?

she is literally better at kiting than kalista

not even a little

and it's a safer form of kiting.

thats debatable

Just please, some form of counterplay for a tank. I'm sick of not being able to do jack shit about this toxic as hell popular champ.

pink ward her stealth and buy thornmail

LICENSED HOOKER2 votes

oh yeah? that's if im 1v1ing her, you forgot to factor in that SHE WILL HAVE A TEAM

YOU CANT GET TO HER

Not even Nasus's w is good no her unless caught out

brad3 votes

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oh yeah? that's if im 1v1ing her, you forgot to factor in that SHE WILL HAVE A TEAM

YOU CANT GET TO HER

Not even Nasus's w is good no her unless caught out

no

you should never 1v1 her

well, not never, but you get the point

GundayMonday11 votes

Why are you 1v1ing a late game ranged hyper carry with a melee tank? Teamwork makes the dream work.

IcyPepper2 votes

basically this^

ChaoticPinecone1 votes

Late game? She only needs a BOTRK and Berserkers to kite a melee tank.

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

Because thirst, it happens to us all. Better yet its cause of split pushing qq

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Why are you 1v1ing a late game ranged hyper carry with a melee tank? Teamwork makes the dream work.

Ayyy men

LaceUp231 votes

Obviously from the rant OP made, he is trying to create a circle jerk of people that have the same warped view as him. These people cannot be reasoned with. Vayne is the most OP champ in the game, no discussion about it.

ChaoticPinecone1 votes

Comparing Vayne to Jayce is pointless. You might as well say "Alistar has a point-and-click knockback, is he op too?" Jayce has an entirely different kit than Vayne. Vayne has a point and click knockback as one of the most damaging ADCs in the game.

Vayne can be better at kiting than Kalista. Buying a Frozen Heart halts Vaynes damage, but not kiting ability. It is more effective against Kalista, whose kiting ability is connected to her AS. Plus, vayne has the kit to put more space between her and her opponent than Kalista does.

UPfreely7 votes

Nunu item 3110 item 3143 She won't like it when the yeti's angry.

Cupkek1 votes

That's the answer to Vayne. Da yeti.

She can't kite or duel when her attack and movement speed are cut by 50% or more.

Similarly, Malphite item 3143 summoner 3 spells death for any Vayne

Narasimha7 votes

item 3075 and item 3143 or item 3110. It's not about the armor. It's about slowing her attack speed. Or in Thornmail's case, making her pay in blood.

FHMarshy5 votes

Her tumble has a 2 second cool down at max rank that is starting only after the full 6 seconds of empowered auto attack is over or after she auto attacked once. So it's actually and 8 second cool down unless she auto'd you, and if you had omen or frozen heart on you, her attack speed would be reduced which basically reduce her ability to kite efficiently.

Her condemn has a 12 second cool down at max rank, and the majority of the tanks have a gap closer with shorter CD than that.

Chaotic Reks5 votes

item 3047 these will let you survive for about 4 seconds longer

yamimosh4 votes

tank... inherintly has larger amounts of cc than most champs. trinkets. 2 can counter invisibility every 60 sec, enough to use it whenever vaynes is up 100 gold will also counter invisibilty renduins omen/ frozen heart. commonly built items that slow her atck speed making it so she cant get her true damage on you as fast giving your team to react

to be really specific on one of these though... upgrade your damn trinkets and problem solved

Variks the Loyal3 votes

I agree Vayne needs nerfs towards tanks, but there is counterplay in Randuin's and Frozen Heart. Also Nasus and Malphite, who can reduce her AS.

Sxli4 votes

As a Vayne main, she gets fucked in the ass by frozen heart + thornmail. I can`t count the amount of times ive looked at death recap only to see that ive done 700-900 damage to MYSELF by attacking a Nasus or rammus with frozen heart and thornamail.

GundayMonday3 votes

Upgrade your item 3341 to get rid of her invisibility. Vayne has a short auto attack range. If she's close enough to hit you, she's close enough to be cc'd. Generally the counterplay is to wait for vayne-spotting (her to position poorly) to happen, and then burst her down with your team. That short range is the counterplay. She has to put herself in harms way to do damage.

SaltyKracka3 votes

Because if you're a tank, you should probably have CC to lock her down for the rest of your team to blow her up.

SlampieceHawke3 votes

Diana with a item 3364 just makes vayne cry.

Keevalroy2 votes

she is literally better at kiting than kalista

As a Vayne player I was willing to hear you out until I got to this part. What the actual fuck...

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

If you are trying to duel an anti-tank kiting-oriented duelist you are doing it wrong.

She has a team? So do you!

Baby Ghoul2 votes

Build armor instead of HP. That is your Vayne counterplay.

item 3110 this is also a big slap in the face to Vayne players because it's armor and aura. Now a days there are more than one on the team too. Ideally you'll start baiting her, then CC her, so your enemy ADC can take her out since she's squishy and prone to being locked down. You shouldn't duel with her if you're a tank, because she shreds through HP.

I actually didn't know item 3341 revealed her, so that also seems like an amazing idea that I'm going to try next time.

Davy Crockett3 votes

item 3364 This one, not this one item 3341

Blastermine1 votes

Full damage.

Erockandroll1 votes

Anything with an Attack Speed slow.

ChaosThief1 votes

Main problem is that it's %max hp true damage.

Can we make it %CURRENT hp?

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Main problem is that it's %max hp true damage.

Can we make it %CURRENT hp?

That would make her do less damage the more she hits you, effectively giving her opponents a free Poppy passive, and defeating the entire purpose of the champion.

IcyPepper1 votes

item 3364 doesn't even take up an item slot item 3075

Also cc really helps, which most tanks have. Late-game, Vayne is going to kill the tank. Tanks just don't deal enough damage late-game to beat her, so you need to cc her and have your burst kill her (this is a team game, not everything has to be 1v1).

Davy Crockett1 votes

If its a champion to counter her, use Trundle and Q, ult tank, have thornmail + FH, use pillar to block her escape if she tries, and use W to smash her head in faster than you can tumble away.

But for items, Thornmail and Frozen Heart.

Tactics... Hard cc. Example for cho: Hide in bush, Q+Silence+ult to kill her. or just get hard cc and have your team kill her.

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