Is it time to change Shaco's Q?

PokladnicaZla·Dec 7, 2017·1 votes·576 views

From just Invisibility to a starting invisibility which turns into Camouflage?

24 Comments

Unreformed ShacoDec 7, 20173 votes

Camo instead of stealth would kill him...

Since he is forced to build glass cannon, he would die before he got in AA range.

Give his Q a bleed effect.

Stops him being "Burst instantly out of stealth" but stops him being shit tier with no damage outside of his E.

PokladnicaZlaDec 7, 20171 votes

Camo is a type of stealth.You mean invisibility. I was suggestion smh like as it's live now,but it starts out as invisibility and then turns into camouflage.Dark Harvest srsly pushed him over the edge.

ImTheSideKickDec 8, 20171 votes

shaco is extremely weak currently

still fun to play and can be annoying but he cant do what other asasins can, kill some one fast and then get out

hell he cant even kill people alone any more

PokladnicaZlaDec 9, 20171 votes

Being weak == being healthy

TaunkaTruckDec 7, 20171 votes

You're wanting to turn shaco into an old eve?

PokladnicaZlaDec 7, 20171 votes

To what Eve (which state) are you referring too?

MrHaZeYoDec 7, 20172 votes

You might as well just assume they mean the previous Eve.

PokladnicaZlaDec 7, 20171 votes

There's current Eve,but therr were 2 version of her prior.So, at least 3 versions I'm aware of.

MrHaZeYoDec 7, 20171 votes

I realize that, but most people havn't played long enough to know Eve prior to the most previous one.

ChaddyFantomeDec 7, 20171 votes

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There's current Eve,but therr were 2 version of her prior.So, at least 3 versions I'm aware of.

Ok smart mouth. You know what they meant. Quit being dificult.

PokladnicaZlaDec 7, 20171 votes

People can't read.I suggested something which no champion has and people are like "You mean like Eve?" .Smh

TaunkaTruckDec 7, 20171 votes

Keep in mind I have not tried Eve since the rework, so I'm only speaking of "old eve." Eve's ult gave her the ability to survive briefly going all in, and be effective in fights. But her weakness has always been the invisibility range. She had no "true" gap closer, and had to keep her distance. Once discovered, that was it. With shaco, his Q gives him the ability to stealth to bushes and lay boxes. Or Q-E combo to harass enemies. It's also a nice escape mechanism when required. Given the deception of his clone, the invisible boxes, and the stealth of his Q, he has a fairly formidable kit to evade players. I assume for balance's sake you'd want to do one of two things. 1, make him utterly invisible at rank 2-3 in bushes like a teemo, which would be overpowered. Or 2, you'd want to make him like "old eve" where he has full invisibility outside a certain range. I think the way his Q currently functions makes him unique, and is still quite viable. My opinion is it's fine how it is, and isn't in need of a rework.

PokladnicaZlaDec 7, 20171 votes

Eve has/had 3 versions uptil no and You seem to lack the knowledge of how Stealth works in the game. When it 2 categories; Camouflage(Eve at lvl6,Twitch Q ,Rengar R) and Invisibility(Akali shroud,Vayne R,Shaco's Q).. Im currently on phone and for sone reason if you visit champion abilities on lol-wiki on your,Q abilities aren't displayed. I want a change where's Q is less frustraiting to face.Since Oracles was removed from SR the only way to catch Shaco is sweeper which has to long of a cooldown. I intended to change his into something like;Shaco blinks to a target location (same as live),he also becomes invisible for X seconds,after that he becomes camouflaged for Y seconds.

ChaddyFantomeDec 7, 20171 votes

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Eve has/had 3 versions uptil no and You seem to lack the knowledge of how Stealth works in the game. When it 2 categories; Camouflage(Eve at lvl6,Twitch Q ,Rengar R) and Invisibility(Akali shroud,Vayne R,Shaco's Q).. Im currently on phone and for sone reason if you visit champion abilities on lol-wiki on your,Q abilities aren't displayed. I want a change where's Q is less frustraiting to face.Since Oracles was removed from SR the only way to catch Shaco is sweeper which has to long of a cooldown. I intended to change his into something like;Shaco blinks to a target location (same as live),he also becomes invisible for X seconds,after that he becomes camouflaged for Y seconds.

Why

PokladnicaZlaDec 7, 20171 votes

Theres nothing more annoying than chasing a Shaco with a 6sec cooldown Q ...

ChaddyFantomeDec 8, 20171 votes

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Theres nothing more annoying than chasing a Shaco with a 6sec cooldown Q ...

So? He is an assassin. He is supposed to be hard to pin down. Something being annoying isn't justification to nerf it.

PokladnicaZlaDec 8, 20171 votes

Lacking counterplay seems like good enough of a reason.

ChaddyFantomeDec 9, 20171 votes

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Lacking counterplay seems like good enough of a reason.

Good thing it doesnt lack counterplay then.

PokladnicaZlaDec 9, 20171 votes

Guess you're right

ChaddyFantomeDec 7, 20171 votes

Is it time to change Karthus Ult? No? There is your answer

PokladnicaZlaDec 7, 20171 votes

Those work quite differently as abilities. And sure.Y not.

ChaddyFantomeDec 8, 20171 votes

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Those work quite differently as abilities. And sure.Y not.

Missing the point. These abilities are iconic and define the champion.

PokladnicaZlaDec 8, 20171 votes

Iconic ultimates can be change for something better and definitely more healthy.Fiora's old R,WW&Urgot's old R . . .

ChaddyFantomeDec 9, 20171 votes

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Iconic ultimates can be change for something better and definitely more healthy.Fiora's old R,WW&Urgot's old R . . .

Warwicks ulti is the same. The only thing that changed was it is a skillshot now. Urgots Ultimate is fundementally in tact. They simply split elements of it into other parts of his kit ( the position swapping part is now his E)

Fiora's Ultimate was like Poppy's where it was simply too fundementally broken amd unhealthy for the game to keep if they wanted her to not be bad everuwhere else.

They still at least ajusted the rest of her kit enough to where the gameplay pattern is stull reminiscient of the old in practice.

That is beyond the point tho.

There was sufficient reason to change them in each of these cases.

With Shaco, your only reason is " its annoying" which is stupid and petty.