Oneshot ADCs vs non oneshot ADCs

TeCoolMage··1 votes·654 views

One shot: Vayne Jhin MissFortune Jinx Caitlyn Twitch Draven Quinn Graves

Real DPS: Urgot Kalista Ezreal Kindred KogMaw Ashe Sivir Varus Gnar Corki

In between: Lucian Jayce Tristana - Lucian is like graves and Ezreal combined, has burst like graves but encourages lengthening his combo to over 5 seconds by weaving autos between each spell cast like Ezreal. I haven't seen Jayce one shot but his damage is still high. Tristana has delayed burst so it's not one shot but not DPS either

While ADCs have problems with their objective control, half the available ADCs can't one shot and still die often to assassins, the problems are:

  1. Stealth

  2. hard CC on basic abilities, mobility and tankiness (in short: easy to access defensive tools)

  3. Crit (excluding Ashe) synergy

  4. General power

I don't think assassins are the problem here, they can duel with even tanks now, to be fair. And against champions like Ezreal (who only has kiting, no burst unless AP), Sivir and Corki, current assassins will definitely still kill them.

The problem is Stealth, CC, and huge damage on single autos with 2.5 AS. Most of the DPS ADCs have to use their ultimates to go even in a 1v1 with even resources while assassins tend to have an edge over them with just their basic ability combos.

EDIT: http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=ADC&sortBy=general.overallPosition&order=ascend

Funny thing is, all the one shots that I listed that appear in this page except quinn (grave's isn't on this page but Urgot is... wtf?), are at the top while all the DPS (that appear at all in the page, of course) I listed except for Ezreal and Corki are at the bottom.

15 Comments

theArtifacts2 votes

{quoted}

One shot.

Though I agree with you, the community tends to agree that a burst and a one-shot are the same thing. I take it literally; one. Shot.

TeCoolMage2 votes

I say it because the community understands it better than "extremely low window of time burst"

Also

  1. 'One shot' is two words

  2. I've seen a literal one shot from a Vayne in an exaggerated fed vayne vs squishy behind enemy video, but never seen an Ashe one shot.

  3. Not all the ADCs use shots anyway, but saying one bolt, one arrow, one bullet or one strike is unwieldy and one hit doesn't sound dramatic enough

OneMustFall1 votes

{quoted}

I say it because the community understands it better than "extremely low window of time burst"

Also

  1. 'One shot' is two words

  2. I've seen a literal one shot

  3. Not all the ADCs use shots anyway, but saying one bolt, one arrow, one bullet or one strike is unwieldy and one hit doesn't sound dramatic enough

ADCs do sustained DPS, they don't one shot. Graves and Jhin are somewhat exceptions but even they aren't oneshotting you like a Rengar would.

TeCoolMage1 votes

The point of this post is to point out the ADCs that have the potential to burst when they shouldn't, I can understand if you argue that Vayne needs to be ahead or something, but saying that she can't be on par with assassins is wrong as I've seen it before.

Those two definitely aren't the only ones

OneMustFall1 votes

{quoted}

The point of this post is to point out the ADCs that have the potential to burst when they shouldn't, I can understand if you argue that Vayne needs to be ahead or something, but saying that she can't be on par with assassins is wrong as I've seen it before.

Those two definitely aren't the only ones

Assassins like Rengar and Khazix still kill you much faster than any ADC can if you're a squishy. You're exaggerating what ADCs can do and comparing their ability to kill you quickly to Assassins one shotting people. Burst ADCs are really Jhin Graves Tristana MissFortune but the rest are DPS who build AS and rely on autos.

Kaeblen1 votes

correction: they are not supposed to one shot. Thus the purpose of the opening post.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

{quoted}

One shot.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a5/a5fd9f50473ea78ab4a5668771803996dfaebe931facffc060a9c530337dc7e7.jpg

Caitlyn Jhin Vayne are probably the ones that might be able to kill some one in 1 shot. Though thats only if we count kill in 1 auto attack. If we count can kill some one in 1 Ability then MissFortune can.

TeCoolMage1 votes

I've had a Draven nearly one shot me, though

OneMustFall1 votes

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Caitlyn Jhin Vayne are probably the ones that might be able to kill some one in 1 shot. Though thats only if we count kill in 1 auto attack. If we count can kill some one in 1 Ability then MissFortune can.

Neither Vayne or Caitlyn can ever kill you in 1 hit at full health. Not even close. Jhin can if you step in one of his traps.

Buzhidog1 votes

To me, the bursty champs shouldn't have much mobility. Except for Jhin, who's crits gives him a small bit of speed and you actually have to build him to that point. Varus I sort of disagree. The damage on his Q is pretty high and a good one can snipe you down like an actual sniper and not one with a stupid hat and aimbot.

TeCoolMage1 votes

lol Caitlyn is a thematic sniper - She never misses unless you do the entire 'get down mister president!' act and take the bullet.

That doesn't mean she isn't a sniper, she's just associated with the real life ideal sniper unlike Jhin and Varus who are associated with the 360 no scope snipers, and that's fine as people tend to imagine that nowadays but saying Caitlyn isn't a sniper is a bit misleading.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

You forgot an ADC Tristana. She has a lot of burst but it is a little delayed so I guess you could put that in the "REAL DPS" section

Chief Mayonnaise1 votes

Jinx One shot

wut

TeCoolMage2 votes

Yeah wasn't completely sure about that one, I don't know why I put it there tbh

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