So... AP kog

Hige··1 votes·714 views

Is surprisingly strong but I honestly feel that AP kog kind of defeats the purpose of kog, not that he's supposed to be an AD champion but because it covers his weaknesses far too well.

You have FAR less mana problems if you go AP, arguably, AD kog could get a tear and a manamune but given the fact that kog seems to be too squishy to deal sustained damage, manamune apparently sets you back far too much? on the other hand, a seraph's will increase ALL your damage across the board, solves your mana problems and gives you a nice shield...

You also deal a TON of frontload damage, getting close to kog becomes seriously dangerous, not to mention that his slow is fairly good as well. A Luden's will turn you into a Xerath kind of champion, E becomes a crazy nuke that goes through minions and is quite wide, so in the end, getting close to kog is dangerous and staying far from him is also dangerous ._. the only way is to CC him to death or to stack movement speed so that you have a chance to avoid his stuff.

I think it's nice that Kog completes the mage-adc spectrum alongside his adc-mid partners Corki Varus Ezreal, kog being fully viable as AP and not at all as AD... his win rate kind of reflects that, probably sad for a lot of people who loved playing him as an adc in bot, I feel you, that happened to me with Corki but mid is not such a bad secondary role pick :P

11 Comments

LaughingStapler1 votes

He's really not as strong as you think if players are competent. He has surprise value and is good into passive farmers/low waveclear champions but a good mid on Viktor, Syndra, Ahri etc. can exploit him pretty hard before they can group and siege. His winrate is decent because most people who play him pick him in the right situations or are mains but I'd say he's solidly Tier 2 or even 3. He's still good enough to be viable even in Masters though, unlike some champions such as Ziggs. Ok, I exaggerate... Ziggs is viable in Masters but there's just no reason to pick him. Kog still has a better late game and burst DPS.

Sir Fuzzi2 votes

They did give Ziggs a tower execute, which is kind of nice.

Hige1 votes

Yeah you said it yourself, he's viable in masters O.o that's quite the feat for a champion nowadays, a feat that's not shared by all the roster sadly but it shows that a champion is realible and strong, also, taking in consideration that his AD counterpart is NOT viable in masters, that says quite a lot don't you think?

LaughingStapler1 votes

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Yeah you said it yourself, he's viable in masters O.o that's quite the feat for a champion nowadays, a feat that's not shared by all the roster sadly but it shows that a champion is realible and strong, also, taking in consideration that his AD counterpart is NOT viable in masters, that says quite a lot don't you think?

He's situationally viable but still performs worse than most of their picks such as Syndra, Viktor, TF, Kennen etc. so he's almost never picked.

Hige1 votes

yeah he's far from being OP and pushing other mid laners out, it's just odd that his AP build is pushing his AD build out though.

I honestly don't even see him as a mid laner, I kinda want to try him in bot but building AP.

Elena Siegman1 votes

AD kog has un-missable late game right clicks, AP kog has skill shots but more burst.

Hige1 votes

I mean, yeah of course he can autoattack, but in dps, AP kog is faaaaar more powerful, mostly because as AP, your W scales quite well too and your autos still hurt a bunch.

Rebonack1 votes

Riot has sworn swift nerfs if AP Kog is ever too popular, so we'll see what happens. Hopefully it'll result in him getting some real work.

Hige1 votes

Uhm I don't think they should nerf him... it's literally his only viable build of choice.

Maybe relocate some power from his ult AP ratio into his W or something but gutting his AP build will throw kog out of the window.

Rebonack1 votes

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Uhm I don't think they should nerf him... it's literally his only viable build of choice.

Maybe relocate some power from his ult AP ratio into his W or something but gutting his AP build will throw kog out of the window.

We've been told that Artillery Kog is 'pretty much the definition of unhealthy champion design'. I wouldn't be shocked by a near complete remake of his Ult. At least that's what I would prefer over just nuking his Ult from orbit until he makes Kalista look attractive by contrast.

Hige1 votes

yeah but that's the thing... his ult isn't all THAT powerful in this current state O.o, his E though is crazy damage, and Q as well but Q is blocked by minions so it's kind of ok.

I don't think AP kog currently works much as an artillery champion and this could be the reason why they haven't done much against it.

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